Disney Star Wars General Discussion

[Shockmaster]

Wrecker reminds me of Dolph Lundgren's character from the Expendables.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Retconning the ST would a huge waste. Make something new!

Agreed.

Do what they should've done the first time - push the original characters into legend and build something further away from the originals time-wise.

There was no need to retread that ground (and stomp all over it).

 

[x Tame Impala]

Agreed.

Do what they should've done the first time - push the original characters into legend and build something further away from the originals time-wise.

There was no need to retread that ground (and stomp all over it).

They could even go way into the past. I don't care. Just stay away from any character we've seen in the Star Wars movies we've seen so far. I don't even want to see Yoda. Pleeeeeenty of options for something we've never seen before

 

[MadDevil]

I liked The Bad Batch, but I'm not sure they needed their own series, unless it's just like an 8-10 episode "limited series". I'd rather it not turn into the Star Wars version of The A Team.

 

[Osprey]

Grace Randolph is saying that her sources suggest that Disney is going to "ignore" the sequel trilogy and that Kennedy's contract won't be renewed next year. It basically confirms the rumors from last week, just with less click-baity language ("ignore" instead of "erase" and "won't be renewed" instead of "fired"). It's pretty much what most of us expected. Disney is just going to move on from the sequel trilogy by not developing films, TV series, games or other things that are connected to it, and will likely do so with Favreau and Filoni leading the way.

 

[Shockmaster]

Agreed.

Do what they should've done the first time - push the original characters into legend and build something further away from the originals time-wise.

There was no need to retread that ground (and stomp all over it).

It's pretty obvious Disney is distancing itself from the sequel trilogy right now, with next to nothing coming out from that era in canon in the foreseeable future. That said, can they really ignore it in perpetuity? Eventually there is going to be more content in canon in the years following Return of the Jedi and The Mandalorian. It just seems inevitable that at some point, even if it's not for a few years, Disney will have to choose to either accept and make stories leading up to and around the sequels, or de-canonize them and start fresh following Return of the Jedi. If they do get de-canonized, I seriously doubt Disney would ever remake them.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

They'll ignore the sequels from now and will come back to the era in the timeline in 5-10 years when the vitriol against the sequels have turned to nostalgia because kids that grew up with them like them. That is basically what happened with the prequels. People still think the prequels suck, but we like many prequel era stuff. I predict the same will end up happening with the sequel era.

 

[bleedblue1223]

It's pretty obvious Disney is distancing itself from the sequel trilogy right now, with next to nothing coming out from that era in canon in the foreseeable future. That said, can they really ignore it in perpetuity? Eventually there is going to be more content in canon in the years following Return of the Jedi and The Mandalorian. It just seems inevitable that at some point, even if it's not for a few years, Disney will have to choose to either accept and make stories leading up to and around the sequels, or de-canonize them and start fresh following Return of the Jedi. If they do get de-canonized, I seriously doubt Disney would ever remake them.

That's why they'll just jump to another era or at least they should. They keep forcing Star Wars into this limited scope where all the heroes are connected and all the villains are connected, it just makes the world seem very small.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

That's why they'll just jump to another era or at least they should. They keep forcing Star Wars into this limited scope where all the heroes are connected and all the villains are connected, it just makes the world seem very small.

It is also a safe way to market the product.

I guess, when they jump to a different era, it will be with safe material like KOTOR-related stuff. They already put Revan and Malak in their mobile game.

It is actually a smart strategy... as long as the content is good.

 

[Shockmaster]

They'll ignore the sequels from now and will come back to the era in the timeline in 5-10 years when the vitriol against the sequels have turned to nostalgia because kids that grew up with them like them. That is basically what happened with the prequels. People still think the prequels suck, but we like many prequel era stuff. I predict the same will end up happening with the sequel era.

The differences between the prequels and sequels is a) Clone Wars started only 3 years after Episode III came out and was very popular right away, b) there's a lot of material from the prequel era that was further built upon in material between Episodes III and IV and even some following Episode VI (i.e., Din Djarin having flashbacks to when his parents were killed by Separatist battle droids), and c) the prequels didn't do anything to Luke, Leia, and Han (except separate Luke and Leia right after they were born, which we knew would happen). The sequels did, and especially in the case of Luke, was very poorly received by fans.

Not to mention, despite all the flaws of the prequels there was at least a singular direction for them and characters that were embraced by fans. The sequels had no direction and ultimately ended up being very sloppy. And do you really think fans have embraced Rey, Finn, and Poe the same as Obi-wan, Anakin, Padme, etc. were embraced from that era?

 

[Scandale du Jour]

The differences between the prequels and sequels is a) Clone Wars started only 3 years after Episode III came out and was very popular right away, b) there's a lot of material from the prequel era that was further built upon in material between Episodes III and IV and even some following Episode VI (i.e., Din Djarin having flashbacks to when his parents were killed by Separatist battle droids), and c) the prequels didn't do anything to Luke, Leia, and Han (except separate Luke and Leia right after they were born, which we knew would happen). The sequels did, and especially in the case of Luke, was very poorly received by fans.

Not to mention, despite all the flaws of the prequels there was at least a singular direction for them and characters that were embraced by fans. The sequels had no direction and ultimately ended up being very sloppy. And do you really think fans have embraced Rey, Finn, and Poe the same as Obi-wan, Anakin, Padme, etc. were embraced from that era?

Too early to tell. And yes, I think kids do.

The internet was not as prevalent back then. These movies still made a shit ton of money. We live in our nerd bubble on our internet boards and think we are the majority of the population. We are not. The movies did not get good reviews, but no Star Wars movie really did. They are a product to make money and they did. Disney will come back to these characters and build them better. Everybody hated prequels Anakin, everybody loves Clone Wars Anakin.

I was not even speaking from a story quality point of view. Strictly from a marketing point of view. They are going take their distance from the sequel trilogy for now, but they are going to come back to that era at some point with other material. They tried with Resistance, and, it sucks. I do not know how popular that show is though... if at all.

 

[Jussi]

Grace Randolph is saying that her sources suggest that Disney is going to "ignore" the sequel trilogy and that Kennedy's contract won't be renewed next year. It basically confirms the rumors from last week, just with less click-baity language ("ignore" instead of "erase" and "won't be renewed" instead of "fired"). It's what I expected. Disney is just going to move on from the sequel trilogy by not developing films, TV series, games or other things that have much of any connection to it (instead, we'll continue to get all of those connected to and/or set nearer to the OT and PT), and do so with Favreau and Filoni likely leading the way.

Eh, she's not the most reliable. Maybe more reliable than Doomcock, but still not much.

 

[Shockmaster]

Too early to tell. And yes, I think kids do.

If there's one indication that would suggest otherwise, it's merchandise sales. They haven't been very good for the sequel trilogy era, which suggests kids aren't as interested.

The internet was not as prevalent back then. These movies still made a shit ton of money. We live in our nerd bubble on our internet boards and think we are the majority of the population. We are not. The movies did not get good reviews, but no Star Wars movie really did. They are a product to make money and they did. Disney will come back to these characters and build them better. Everybody hated prequels Anakin, everybody loves Clone Wars Anakin.

I was not even speaking from a story quality point of view. Strictly from a marketing point of view. They are going take their distance from the sequel trilogy for now, but they are going to come back to that era at some point with other material. They tried with Resistance, and, it sucks. I do not know how popular that show is though... if at all.

That product made less money after each movie in the sequel trilogy. Still a lot, yes. But the downward trend combined with the lack of merchandise sales could easily make Disney conclude there is a less profitable future with the sequel trilogy. Also, the sequel trilogy itself took place over the course of a year within the story. There isn't much of an opportunity for a "Clone Wars" of that era with a lot of time to tell stories in between movies to add context, and the overall lack of direction with the sequel trilogy would make that task even more the harder.

 

[Spikey]

I've been getting into Clone Wars lately on Disney+ never watched it before. It's a pretty cool show.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

If there's one indication that would suggest otherwise, it's merchandise sales. They haven't been very good for the sequel trilogy era, which suggests kids aren't as interested.



That product made less money after each movie in the sequel trilogy. Still a lot, yes. But the downward trend combined with the lack of merchandise sales could easily make Disney conclude there is a less profitable future with the sequel trilogy. Also, the sequel trilogy itself took place over the course of a year within the story. There isn't much of an opportunity for a "Clone Wars" of that era with a lot of time to tell stories in between movies to add context, and the overall lack of direction with the sequel trilogy would make that task even more the harder.

Empire made less money than ANH and Jedi made less money than Empire.

AOC made less money than TFM. ROTS made more than AOC but less than TFM.

Merchandise number are a good metric, but many more factors than "attachment" to the characters have to be looked at.

All I am saying is that they will go back to that era after the frustration has cool down AND they have solidified the brand again. The last season of Clone Wars and The Mandalorian were definitely steps in the right direction. The reason why they will go back is because it is easier to position in the market if people are already familiar with it. It is the exact same reason why we see so many reboots and remakes. And, to be frank, comics, books, video games and animated series are less risky than big budget movies. Less brand damaging if they do not work.

I also think they should think about making Solo 2. I disliked it the first time I say it. But after re-watching it, I think they nailed the character pretty well. Same with Lando. I know it won't be a major money maker like the main saga was, but it could be fun. They probably won't and I understand why from a business standpoint, but just a personal thought.

 

[Osprey]

I think that a difference between the prequels and sequels is that the PT had an interesting setting that was very different from the OT. For example, instead of only a handful of Jedi, there were lots, and instead of a powerful Empire that you knew when you saw them, the bad characters were in hiding among the good ones. The movies mostly stunk, but people liked the setting, so they were receptive to other, better stories being told in it. What's the setting of the ST? It's just the OT's setting, re-hashed and somehow made less interesting. There's nothing about it that feels different in a good way and worth creating a spinoff from.

It's possible that the ST will be less hated in time, like the PT, but I suspect that that happened to the PT partly because it laid a foundation for the better stories (like Clone Wars) that came from it. If the ST is going to be ignored and we're not going to get any new stories connected to it, our impression of it might not ever improve. After all, I doubt that there's any more acceptance today of the OT's Special Editions, and those are even older than the PT. I still loathe what Lucas did to Star Wars with those, so I don't see why, 20 years from now, I won't still loathe what Abrams/Johnson/Kennedy did to it.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I think that a difference between the prequels and sequels is that the PT had an interesting setting that was very different from the OT. For example, instead of only a handful of Jedi, there were lots, and instead of a powerful Empire that you knew when you saw them, the bad characters were in hiding among the good ones. The movies mostly stunk, but people liked the setting, so they were receptive to other, better stories being told in it. What's the setting of the ST? It's just the OT's setting, re-hashed and somehow made less interesting. There's nothing about it that feels different in a good way and worth creating a spinoff from.

It's possible that the ST will be less hated in time, like the PT, but I suspect that that happened to the PT partly because it laid a foundation for the better stories (like Clone Wars) that came from it. If the ST is going to be ignored and we're not going to get any new stories connected to it, our impression of it might not ever improve. After all, I doubt that there's any more acceptance today of the OT's Special Editions, and those are even older than the PT. I still loathe what Lucas did to Star Wars with those, so I don't see why, 20 years from now, I won't still loathe what Abrams/Johnson/Kennedy did to it.

That's exactly why I think they will come up with new ST stories in a few years. If they can create new value around the movies and make a special box set or something, they will. It is all about brand value. So, I would be VERY surprised if they ignored it forever. I mean, maybe they will because they have much bigger plans laid out. Old Republic plans... perhaps

 

[Shockmaster]

That's exactly why I think they will come up with new ST stories in a few years. If they can create new value around the movies and make a special box set or something, they will. It is all about brand value. So, I would be VERY surprised if they ignored it forever. I mean, maybe they will because they have much bigger plans laid out. Old Republic plans... perhaps

That's the problem though. There really isn't anything there that isn't re-hashed from the OT. The sequel trilogy itself did nothing to grow the Star Wars universe. It was just another rebellion trying to take down another empire. The prequel era content at least tells a different story.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

That's the problem though. There really isn't anything there that isn't re-hashed from the OT. The sequel trilogy itself did nothing to grow the Star Wars universe. It was just another rebellion trying to take down another empire. The prequel era content at least tells a different story.

How the first order was built. How Kylo Ren became Kylo Ren. Rey on Jakku growing up. Finn as a Stormtrooper, how he developed his will to leave. Poe before he joined the Resistance.

There are stories to tell (and that are already been told in various media, I think). Are they interesting stories? They could be if well told. Clone Wars used existing characters and created new ones. Rebel used new characters as protagonist and brought old ones to tie things up.

I mean, there are things to do.

 

[Shockmaster]

How the first order was built. How Kylo Ren became Kylo Ren. Rey on Jakku growing up. Finn as a Stormtrooper, how he developed his will to leave. Poe before he joined the Resistance.

There are stories to tell (and that are already been told in various media, I think). Are they interesting stories? They could be if well told. Clone Wars used existing characters and created new ones. Rebel used new characters as protagonist and brought old ones to tie things up.

I mean, there are things to do.

How the First Order was build - we know that already. It was Palpatine and it was done on Exogul with the help of Sith loyalists there.
How Kylo Ren became Kylo Ren - yeah, do we really need another story about a Skywalker falling to the dark side?
Rey on Jakku growing up - no one would care, and that sounds extremely boring.
Finn as a Stormtrooper - Again, boring. There's no content there worth exploring before he arrived on Jakku.
Poe before he joined the Resistance - there's a book on that coming out, which probably no one will read. So I doubt they'll feel the need to do a series on that.

You're really reaching here. There's just no where near as much interesting content as there is with the Clone Wars.

 

[Osprey]

That's exactly why I think they will come up with new ST stories in a few years. If they can create new value around the movies and make a special box set or something, they will. It is all about brand value. So, I would be VERY surprised if they ignored it forever. I mean, maybe they will because they have much bigger plans laid out. Old Republic plans... perhaps

I don't see the wisdom in creating new ST-connected stories that no one wants just to improve the trilogy's reputation. As I said, there's nothing interesting about the ST because it's just a re-hash. Throwing money at a lost cause is not how good business is done. I think that it's smarter for Disney to keep milking the OT and PT for now and then eventually try again to create a whole new setting. For example, they might create a new trilogy that takes place after the ST, but has minimal connection or similarity to it. As a hater of the ST, I don't really mind if they keep its events and characters as canon so long as I'm not reminded of most of them too much going forward.

 

[Shockmaster]

I don't see the wisdom in creating new ST-connected stories that no one wants just to improve the trilogy's reputation. As I said, there's nothing interesting about the ST because it's just a re-hash. Throwing money at a lost cause is not how good business is done. I think that it's smarter for Disney to keep milking the OT and PT for now and then eventually try again to create a whole new setting. For example, they might create a new trilogy that takes place after the ST, but has minimal connection or similarity to it. As a hater of the ST, I don't really mind if they keep its events and characters as canon so long as I'm not reminded of most of them too much going forward.

Given the creative blackhole that is the sequel trilogy, the next head of Lucasfilm would be doing Star Wars a favor if they de-canonized those films and gave themselves a fresh slate for the post-Return of the Jedi era. It might be weird at first, but I think long term it would pay off big time.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

You guys are looking at it wrong.

You are looking at it from your interest point of view. That's not why Disney would or not do ST-related stuff. They would to be able to make MORE money out of the ST.

From the rumors we are hearing, that does not look to be the plan at the moment though. I must say I am curious to see what angle they will take. I'd go Old Republic, but I am a KOTOR fan boy.

 

[Shockmaster]

You guys are looking at it wrong.

You are looking at it from your interest point of view. That's not why Disney would or not do ST-related stuff. They would to be able to make MORE money out of the ST.

From the rumors we are hearing, that does not look to be the plan at the moment though. I must say I am curious to see what angle they will take. I'd go Old Republic, but I am a KOTOR fan boy.

10 years from now stories about Rey staring at sand on Jakku or stormtrooper Finn cleaning his blaster probably aren't going to be money-makers for Disney. I don't think you're quite wrapping your head around just how much of a dud Disney has here (they clearly have). 10 years passing isn't going to change the fact that the sequel trilogy was just a less interesting and more confusing rehash of the original trilogy.

 

[Richard]

The sequel trilogy felt small and pissed all over what we knew as Star Wars.

Like who is crewing those 1000 Star Destroyers that magically appear???? IT was established that they held like 30,000 people each. How is all this kept secret without an entire galaxy to support it.

The prequel trilogy had some poorly written lines, some overextended scenes, some dud moments and ideas, but it had a very solid theme. If a proper director and a dialogue writer had been given freedom it would have been an excellent trilogy on par with the original.