Post-Game Talk: Jets 4 - Islanders 3, Streaking to the break

[robertocarlos]

If the Jets are the best team in the league does that mean they have some NHL ready players in the AHL who should be earning an NHL pay-check? The league is a watered-down mess with no parity.

 

[wasup]

Draft picks, every single one of them are all "i hope this draft pick turns out" i don't mind making a trade if Chevy thinks they will make the team better. Chevy always said at the beginning when we got the Jets back that he wouldn't trade picks when we weren't making the playoffs but when we did he would look to help the guys at the deadline. Some have worked very well some not but if Chevy did nothing every single year i don't think the players would like that very much.

Yup if he did nothing every single year I would agree . This being said he has made trades lately and it has not worked out playoff wise but if you can get a Nino and Names and retain them it works out . Last year did not help nor was there retention so you just lose the picks for very little .

 

[ps241]

I'm sure the jets would much rather get somebody with term but those players are going to cost more then a late 1st and are rarely traded around now + majority of players with term will have trade protection which makes it even harder for us to require

I get it and it’s why asset Managment needs to have more planning. We have had a hole at #2 centre for too long and could have filled it with all the waisted rental picks. Can’t keep patch jobbing the hole every spring it’s the wrong time of year to fill meaningful holes.

 

[gojetsgo]

I get it and it’s why asset Managment needs to have more planning. We have had a hole at #2 centre for too long and could have filled it with all the waisted rental picks. Can’t keep patch jobbing the hole every spring it’s the wrong time of year to fill meaningful holes.

I'm sure the jets would have loved to have a long term solution at 2c like when they traded for PLD or last year when they traded for monahan then tried to extend him among other free agent centers, I think the only way we can patch the hole is if we trade for a rental and hope he likes it enough to stick around like nino/demelo/names

 

[ps241]

I'm sure the jets would have loved to have a long term solution at 2c like when they traded for PLD or last year when they traded for monahan then tried to extend him among other free agent centers, I think the only way we can patch the hole is if we trade for a rental and hope he likes it enough to stick around like nino/demelo/names

Yea I think that was the hope with Sean. I am a bit less sold on our need for help this off season. My guess is Chevy will spend to fill holes again this off season. My wishes were we use the assets to roster build but that’s not going to happen so I will sit back and enjoy the ride.

Lord knows we are due for some luck for once in the post season.

 

[Buffdog]

Yea I think that was the hope with Sean. I am a bit less sold on our need for help this off season. My guess is Chevy will spend to fill holes again this off season. My wishes were we use the assets to roster build but that’s not going to happen so I will sit back and enjoy the ride.

Lord knows we are due for some luck for once in the post season.

At least there is some light at the end of the pipeline for 2C and top 4 RHD with Yager and Salo

 

[10Ducky10]

I'd still like to see Cozens come here.

 

[PaulPooley]

It always feels like they are going to win. This is a historic season for the franchise. Let's hope we are still playing hockey in June.

I’m learning to stop and savour the moment a bit more recently. I think I’m actually a believer now when I had been so discouraged after last year’s playoffs. This is new territory for me as a long time fan; they have an exceptionally good chance of finishing top of the conference if not the entire league. These are very exciting times!

 

[Buffdog]

I’m learning to stop and savour the moment a bit more recently. I think I’m actually a believer now when I had been so discouraged after last year’s playoffs. This is new territory for me as a long time fan; they have an exceptionally good chance of finishing top of the conference if not the entire league. These are very exciting times!

Welcome back onto the bandwagon... come have a seat here next to me

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Every line is supposed to play the exact same way. Giving Lambert some NHL time in no way is putting him in a position to fail. He's getting time on the Jets playing with NHL talent and against NHL talent. Gus is seems like he is playing a resectable game with flashes of a little more and Iafallo is probably going to a team where he will play in the middle 6 next year. Those are two real players that combined with some good matchups give Lambert some real possibility to shine and he did have his moments.

I have heard Arniel and Bowness before him say the " every line is" line. I do not buy it other than he may expect all forwards in this system to get back and play some d as Scheif and Connor have done more this season than ever before. If Lambert ends up on a 4th line as an NHL'er then he has not reached his offensive potential whereas GUS is a 4th maybe 3rd liner at best and AI is unique because he can play anywhere but is used higher up because he is a responsible defensive forward. I say this with the caveat that anyone who manages even a shift in the NHL no matter what line is has more hockey talent and skill in their pinkie finger than I do if I was reincarnated 50 times. The Jets are in a fortunate position to give him a look but not sure in the midst of a winning streak that it should have been done.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I’m learning to stop and savour the moment a bit more recently. I think I’m actually a believer now when I had been so discouraged after last year’s playoffs. This is new territory for me as a long time fan; they have an exceptionally good chance of finishing top of the conference if not the entire league. These are very exciting times!

In the words of Scooby-Doo "Ruh ohhh" the Jets have me on the Jet plane as well. I hope we are not in for playoff heartbreak. I am also trying to savour this season, which is becoming more special and surreal by the game.

 

[ps241]

At least there is some light at the end of the pipeline for 2C and top 4 RHD with Yager and Salo

I hope so in both cases but that #2 centre spot is a tough one to fill. Jets have drafted “one” top 6 centre and that was 14 years ago. We have yet to draft our second top 6 centre. If we get really lucky we might have traded for him but Yager has a long way to go.

 

[Jets 31]

I hope so in both cases but that #2 centre spot is a tough one to fill. Jets have drafted “one” top 6 centre and that was 14 years ago. We have yet to draft our second top 6 centre. If we get really lucky we might have traded for him but Yager has a long way to go.

It's been a struggle to find that second center i agree but we also haven't exactly had alot of high draft picks because we haven't had many really bad seasons to get a high pick and then hope they develop.It's a very tough road to travel for Chevy because we are also in Winnipeg where alot of players don't want to be.

 

[ps241]

It's been a struggle to find that second center i agree but we also haven't exactly had alot of high draft picks because we haven't had many really bad seasons to get a high pick and then hope they develop.It's a very tough road to travel for Chevy because we are also in Winnipeg where alot of players don't want to be.

Yea the drafting piece is not easy at all but very necessary. It is literally the life blood of success in the Winnipeg market. We drafted so dam well from 2011-2016 that it set up our organization for a decade of lower drafting. Most good centers (#1’s) are drafted in the first round in the top 10-12 picks. There are always outliers like Aho, Point, Bergeron but for the most part you have to hit on a top 10 1st round pick.

Now second line centers are a bit different. One would hope you can hit on one of those at least once every 10 draft classes.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

If the Jets are the best team in the league does that mean they have some NHL ready players in the AHL who should be earning an NHL pay-check? The league is a watered-down mess with no parity.

If there is no "parity", how is it that the team in the smallest market in the league is on top of the standings? Sorry, not sorry, but that comment doesn't make too much sense...

 

[Jets 31]

If there is no "parity", how is it that the team in the smallest market in the league is on top of the standings? Sorry, not sorry, but that comment doesn't make too much sense...

Very true .

 

[Gil Fisher]

Yea the drafting piece is not easy at all but very necessary. It is literally the life blood of success in the Winnipeg market. We drafted so dam well from 2011-2016 that it set up our organization for a decade of lower drafting. Most good centers (#1’s) are drafted in the first round in the top 10-12 picks. There are always outliers like Aho, Point, Bergeron but for the most part you have to hit on a top 10 1st round pick.

Now second line centers are a bit different. One would hope you can hit on one of those at least once ever 10 draft classes.

We did trade away our first rounder 3 times in the last 10 years (Stastny, Hayes, Monahan). But we gained a first three times as well that became Stanley, Heinola, and Lambert.

We drafted, arguably, four centres over those years in Perfetti, Lucius, Lambert and McGroarty/Yager.

Perfetti looks like a winger now. I think Lambert will be too. Yager looks a good bet as a C and Lucius, well he's just not a good bet unfortunately.

 

[Jet]

I think you're wrong, and the 4th line has been instructed to keep it simple. It's the way it's been on every team I've played on and coached. They've always been told that a win for them is prolonged O zone shifts, which isn't the same as for the top lines.

Maybe your experience has been different, who knows. I'd be open to hearing about it if that's the case

I think you are bang on and its been my experience as well.

I'll expand on this by saying i think that Arniel wants all 4 lines doing the same thing without the puck. With the puck is a different story.

 

[TS Quint]

I have heard Arniel and Bowness before him say the " every line is" line. I do not buy it other than he may expect all forwards in this system to get back and play some d as Scheif and Connor have done more this season than ever before. If Lambert ends up on a 4th line as an NHL'er then he has not reached his offensive potential whereas GUS is a 4th maybe 3rd liner at best and AI is unique because he can play anywhere but is used higher up because he is a responsible defensive forward. I say this with the caveat that anyone who manages even a shift in the NHL no matter what line is has more hockey talent and skill in their pinkie finger than I do if I was reincarnated 50 times. The Jets are in a fortunate position to give him a look but not sure in the midst of a winning streak that it should have been done.

I'm not saying the lines always look the same. Again it's risk/reward and talent level. So yes, a line with Gus and Iafallo will dump the puck in more. But all lines dump the puck in and they will all have similar expectations when that happens. All lines will have similar responsibilities without the puck. Lambert can carry the puck on his stick and maintain possession if that option is open to him. So to say that it's an awful spot for Lambert to play on the 4th line with AI and Gus just isn't true. He will get to work on parts of the game he needs to work on. The game isn't that different. Expectations are still the same. He is getting more experience and learning to be better.

 

[TS Quint]

I think you are bang on and its been my experience as well.

I'll expand on this by saying i think that Arniel wants all 4 lines doing the same thing without the puck. With the puck is a different story.

Yes. Most of the game is the same. Yes the 4th line will be more conservative because as I said it's about talent. More talent =more options. Teams will back off more for Kyle Connor than Gus at the blue. So where Gus gets hit with a defensive wall more often and the best option is to dump it in. But that doesn't mean that when Kyle Connor hits that defensive wall it's not still, the best option to dump it in and the lines do the same thing. Or if Lambert is able to back the defense of and carry it in the zone he is welcome to.

People acting like being on the 4th line means it's like learning New foreign language are out to lunch.

 

[Buffdog]

Yes. Most of the game is the same. Yes the 4th line will be more conservative because as I said it's about talent. More talent =more options. Teams will back off more for Kyle Connor than Gus at the blue. So where Gus gets hit with a defensive wall more often and the best option is to dump it in. But that doesn't mean that when Kyle Connor hits that defensive wall it's not still, the best option to dump it in and the lines do the same thing. Or if Lambert is able to back the defense of and carry it in the zone he is welcome to.

People acting like being on the 4th line means it's like learning New foreign language are out to lunch.

Nobody said that lol

Hyperbole much?

 

[voyageur]

I'm sure the jets would have loved to have a long term solution at 2c like when they traded for PLD or last year when they traded for monahan then tried to extend him among other free agent centers, I think the only way we can patch the hole is if we trade for a rental and hope he likes it enough to stick around like nino/demelo/names

Keep patching until Yager is ready.

I think a lot of teams are surprised by the Jets speed at C. Roy gave them some credit.

Says a lot that a team with Horvat, Nelson, Pageau (who had a good game) up the middle lost to Scheif, Namestnikov, Kupari and Gus.

Scheif beat Horvat. Starts there.

Jets have a pretty interesting schedule after the break. 9 games with 7 on the road and home games sandwiched in there.

Lots of non playoff teams on the docket.

I'm hoping the break gives the Jets that final push.

I'm liking the idea of a Jets-Canucks 1st round matchup.

 

[Jet]

Yes. Most of the game is the same. Yes the 4th line will be more conservative because as I said it's about talent. More talent =more options. Teams will back off more for Kyle Connor than Gus at the blue. So where Gus gets hit with a defensive wall more often and the best option is to dump it in. But that doesn't mean that when Kyle Connor hits that defensive wall it's not still, the best option to dump it in and the lines do the same thing. Or if Lambert is able to back the defense of and carry it in the zone he is welcome to.

People acting like being on the 4th line means it's like learning New foreign language are out to lunch.

I'd be interested to know your base of knowledge, since you're calling people out for being out to lunch?

 

[Buffdog]

I'd be interested to know your base of knowledge, since you're calling people out for being out to lunch?

I was wondering the exact same thing, but I wasn't going to ask lol

When someone's opinion goes against everything I've experienced in 44 years being around the sport, my first inclination is to ask them about their experience

But I learned in another thread that even asking is verboten

 

[Jet]

I was wondering the exact same thing, but I wasn't going to ask lol

When someone's opinion goes against everything I've experienced in 44 years being around the sport, my first inclination is to ask them about their experience

But I learned in another thread that even asking is verboten

I think it's fair to ask as it helps understand why the other person things that way.

Honestly I wasn't going to until it was suggested that the converse opinion to theirs was somehow laughable.