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Richard said:
The sequel trilogy felt small and pissed all over what we knew as Star Wars.

Like who is crewing those 1000 Star Destroyers that magically appear???? IT was established that they held like 30,000 people each. How is all this kept secret without an entire galaxy to support it.

The prequel trilogy had some poorly written lines, some overextended scenes, some dud moments and ideas, but it had a very solid theme. If a proper director and a dialogue writer had been given freedom it would have been an excellent trilogy on par with the original.
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Not to mention the sequel trilogy never felt like it was really part of the Skywalker Saga. It felt more like a Rey trilogy with the Skywalkers as nothing more than supporting characters to be killed off.
 
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Richard said:
The sequel trilogy felt small and pissed all over what we knew as Star Wars.

Like who is crewing those 1000 Star Destroyers that magically appear???? IT was established that they held like 30,000 people each. How is all this kept secret without an entire galaxy to support it.

The prequel trilogy had some poorly written lines, some overextended scenes, some dud moments and ideas, but it had a very solid theme. If a proper director and a dialogue writer had been given freedom it would have been an excellent trilogy on par with the original.
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I thought it was pretty clear they were controlling them remotely using the comm towers. Also, the idea of having a hidden massive fleet is a pretty common plot device in the Legends universe.
 
kingsholygrail said:
I thought it was pretty clear they were controlling them remotely using the comm towers. Also, the idea of having a hidden massive fleet is a pretty common plot device in the Legends universe.
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Actually, besides dark empire, I don't really remember anything hidden except for the Darksaber thing Kevin J. Anderson Crap.

The best of the legends had very good plots as did the original movies.
 
Richard said:
Actually, besides dark empire, I don't really remember anything hidden except for the Darksaber thing Kevin J. Anderson Crap.

The best of the legends had very good plots as did the original movies.
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The Katana Fleet in the Thrawn Trilogy is the most famous. Otherwise it's usually a fleet of old Star Destroyers and/or an SSD. The X-Wing series dealt with a handful of SSDs.
 
kingsholygrail said:
The Katana Fleet in the Thrawn Trilogy is the most famous. Otherwise it's usually a fleet of old Star Destroyers and/or an SSD. The X-Wing series dealt with a handful of SSDs.
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The Katana wasn't usable-its crew went insane and died.... its ships were basically sitting idle for 50 years. They still had to be crewed, which was a major problem. Don't you remember the New Republic characters going "well it sucks the Empire got those ships but it'll take them months and years to train people to crew em...." oh.... wait, Thrawn found a cloning chamber (but wait, still took many months to crew them.

Not, there are 200 dreadnoughts IN SPACE FOREVER WITH FULL CREWS HAHA or THEY ARE ALL WIRED TOGETHER LETS DESTROY THE ONE CONTROL SHIP.

Everyone in the galaxy knew of the Katana fleet. No one knows of those billion Star Destroyers??? (I only watched the preview of Rise of Skywalker, after the Last Jedi I am done with Star Wars movies)
 
Richard said:
The Katana wasn't usable-its crew went insane and died.... its ships were basically sitting idle for 50 years. They still had to be crewed, which was a major problem. Don't you remember the New Republic characters going "well it sucks the Empire got those ships but it'll take them months and years to train people to crew em...." oh.... wait, Thrawn found a cloning chamber (but wait, still took many months to crew them.

Not, there are 200 dreadnoughts IN SPACE FOREVER WITH FULL CREWS HAHA or THEY ARE ALL WIRED TOGETHER LETS DESTROY THE ONE CONTROL SHIP.

Everyone in the galaxy knew of the Katana fleet. No one knows of those billion Star Destroyers??? (I only watched the preview of Rise of Skywalker, after the Last Jedi I am done with Star Wars movies)
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The Katana fleet was controlled by an advanced AI. The minimal crew had died, but it didn't leave the ships non-functional. Thrawn wanted the fleet mostly for that reason.
 
How many people in the galaxy knew about the Empire building a moon sized battle station that could blow up entire planets before it was finished?
 
That whole final battle was so poorly thought out. That is what you get with a JJ/Terrio combo, a great looking movie, with some horrible writing.
 
MadDevil said:
How many people in the galaxy knew about the Empire building a moon sized battle station that could blow up entire planets before it was finished?
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It didn't seem like it was a big secret, if that's what you're asking. Much of the Empire surely knew about it, since it was their big project. Also, the Rebels knew about it, since they had spies, some of which stole the plans. I think that that's rather different than a massive fleet being a total surprise to both the First Order and Resistance and somehow orchestrated by a single person that both sides thought was dead.
 
Osprey said:
It didn't seem like it was a big secret, if that's what you're asking. Much of the Empire surely knew about it, since it was their big project. Also, the Rebels knew about it, since they had spies, some of which stole the plans. I think that that's rather different than a massive fleet being a total surprise to both the First Order and Resistance and somehow orchestrated by a single person that both sides thought was dead.
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Fair enough. I guess I just wasn't that bothered by it. But that might just be because I'd already shut my brain off by that point in the movie.
 
kingsholygrail said:
The Katana fleet was controlled by an advanced AI. The minimal crew had died, but it didn't leave the ships non-functional. Thrawn wanted the fleet mostly for that reason.
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That's not true, it still need like several THOUSAND people to function per ship. When they died it the fleet was immobile. That's 400,000+ crew.

And I didn't say non-function, I said they couldn't be used again until they were re-crewed.

They didn't just appear out of nowhere into nothing from nonexistent story-lines.
 
bleedblue1223 said:
That whole final battle was so poorly thought out. That is what you get with a JJ/Terrio combo, a great looking movie, with some horrible writing.
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True. Although it was still better thought out than the Last Jedi where the First Order couldn't catch up with the "faster and lighter" resistance ships. :shakehead
 
Shockmaster said:
True. Although it was still better thought out than the Last Jedi where the First Order couldn't catch up with the "faster and lighter" resistance ships. :shakehead
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Yeah, Last Jedi said screw science and logic, and RoS said screw logic. Not saying RoS was scientifically accurate, it just didn't have blatantly obvious head-scratching moments, like the difference between weight and mass. JJ did change how ships can exit hyperspace close to planets in both his movies though, so he said screw the established science from the OT too. Oh and how the Death Star wouldn't have that kind of wreckage after the explosion it had in RotJ, so yeah RJ and JJ failed horribly IMO.
 
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I don't look to Star Wars or Star Trek for battles that have tact or strategy, as both have neither. The Expanse and BSG on the other hand are great examples of Sci-fi that does battles right.
 
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RobBrown4PM said:
I don't look to Star Wars or Star Trek for battles that have tact or strategy, as both have neither. The Expanse and BSG on the other hand are great examples of Sci-fi that does battles right.
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There would be at least some level of logic in the OT and PT battles, even if it's logic that is just based in that universe. If we Last Jedi'd A New Hope, Vader would still be chasing down Leia.
 
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I used to be a pretty die hard Star Wars fan, and while movies like Rogue 1 and shows like Clone Wars and Rebels and Mandalorian have kind of kept my fandom alive, its a lot less thanks to the horrific ST. From the blatant reboot of ANH with a pouty teenage Anakin rip off in Kylo in TFA, to the ludicrous and stupid TFA where RJ basically took the foundation started in TFA pee'd all over it and made it so terrible to the point of making Snoke a stupid red shirt, I dream of Leia flying across the Stars to the utter stupidity of the Stern chase. To a movie that was so terrible in ROS that is either completely forgettable except for the oh we have to cross swords to beat Palpatine because of actual brain trauma caused by the writing or that my brain just decided to delete it because The 1990 Captain America movie made more sense.

Why they didn't make the big gun in Star Killer base shoot out fully completed Death stars is beyond me, I mean that must have been thinking of the dogs with bee's in their mouth concept. Lets just take the death star and make one 10 times its size with basically the same vulnerability. Who designs these things. Phasma was a joke character that looked awesome. Kylo the pouty teenager. Daisy did the best she could, but her character was actually forgettable. And they killed Solo just for a shock moment.

TLJ was so utterly stupid and ridiculous that Disney should have pulled it with an apology and stopped the trilogy right there. From the stupidity of the Poe crank call scene to the Rose story line and the Casino world that felt like a political statement using a sledge hammer, to the utterly stupid stern chase that was such bad writing. Look the First Order Fleet probably had several thousand fighters and bombers and the last Resistance ship had no fighters left and major damage and couldn't jump to light speed. Its the old James Bond movie writing, we'll do a stupid drawn out plot that makes no sense instead of just getting a gun and shooting the hero. I mean the First Order had these things called radios and lots of fuel, why not just jump a couple of those Star Destroyers ahead? But at least the Rebels found that abandoned base on Hot . . . oh wait the Salt world. Oh and they took Snoke and made him powerful and stupid. Rian should never be allowed to direct a franchise film again.

Then TROS complete crap, they introduce new characters that literally have nothing to do just to get the actors paychecks. Kerri Russell. Palpatine was just stupidly done, but they over powered him. Gone was the subtlety of the original Palpatine replaced by a growling movie of the week. The Story line of Rey's parents which was hastily pissed on in the last movie is back full force. The plot lines of convenience. Killing the most powerful being in the galaxy by crossing your swords. Snoke was a clone, well of course he was. Oh completely wasting Hux - "I'm the traitor" gets shot three seconds later. The Horsebacks on the Star Destroyer. Then when they had a chance to at least have an interesting wind up with Rey, they chose to have a generic end scene so they could bring back Luke and Leia and play inspiring movies.

Realistically the ST should get the Star Wars Christmas special and Ewok Adventures treatment. "No we're putting these negatives in the vault for safe keepings, don't worry about that stack of dynamite in the vault".

While people complain rightfully about the Prequels they're far better then the ST. The problem with the prequels is execution and dialogue, but at least they made sense and they didn't keep changing story elements and doing huge fan services and ripping off terrible EU stories to build their plot like the ST trilogy (I'm looking at you Darth Caedus, and The Dark Empire series. Hey Star Killer was literally the Galaxy Gun).

TLJ and TROS are unwatchable crap unless your high and your watching it with your friends while replicated the concept of Mystery Science Fiction Theatre.
 
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I'm not sure if it's the exact same spot, since the overhang seems lower in 'Raiders', but maybe it's just hard to tell because of the angle. Regardless, it's neat to see that these are likely the same general location (even if that trivia was already known).
 
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ArGarBarGar said:
Lack of scientific accuracy and logic? In my Star Wars?

It's more likely than you think.
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It's truly shocking that people want consistency in how things operate within its specific universe. The basics of how Star Wars operates should be consistent from how it was introduced in the OT. Like Star Destroyers being able to chase down other ships.
 
bleedblue1223 said:
It's truly shocking that people want consistency in how things operate within its specific universe. The basics of how Star Wars operates should be consistent from how it was introduced in the OT. Like Star Destroyers being able to chase down other ships.
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Okay.
 
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