Disney Star Wars General Discussion

[Blender]

Star Wars has never had science in it, it's ridiculous that anyone tries to label it as science fiction to begin with.

Any fictional universe should be logically consistent with its own rules and continuity, and Star Wars is no exception to that rule. If that isn't the case, it's terrible writing plain and simple.

 

[Seedtype]

I don't look to Star Wars or Star Trek for battles that have tact or strategy, as both have neither. The Expanse and BSG on the other hand are great examples of Sci-fi that does battles right.

Agreed, as much as I love DS9 the actual Dominion War's battles were mostly just fluff(we never got to appreciate the power of a Romulan Warbird, for example). It was the actions of the characters and how they were affected by it is what made the Dominion War stuff great. (Also just the fact that Star Trek tried it)

 

[Jussi]

Lack of scientific accuracy and logic? In my Star Wars?

It's more likely than you think.

It's still real to me, damn it!

 

[MadDevil]

 

[Shockmaster]

Will the state even allow that?

 

[Osprey]

Will the state even allow that?

"These aren't the filmmakers you're looking for"

 

[Shockmaster]

It only took her 8 years and a completely disjointed trilogy to figure this out

 

[Osprey]

It only took her 8 years and a completely disjointed trilogy to figure this out

She hasn't figured it out. She just knows that this is what Lucasfilm is going to do as soon as she's gone next year and is making it seem like she's spearheading it when she's really the one in front of the spear.

 

[MadDevil]

"There's now the realization that this is a mythology that actually spans about 25,000 years, when you really start to look at all the different stories that have been told, whether it’s in books and games."

Hey Kathy, they've been there the whole f***ing time.

 

[Shockmaster]

She hasn't figured it out. She just knows that this is what Lucasfilm is going to do as soon as she's gone next year and is making it seem like she's spearheading it when she's really the one in front of the spear.

Hopefully when she's gone Disney throws out everything with the exception of The Mandalorian, Rebels, and Clone Wars Season 7 that has been created under her watch. The people who will be running Lucasfilm (hopefully Favreau and Filoni) should be given a fresh slate and not be forced to try and make excrement smell good.

 

[Blender]

It only took her 8 years and a completely disjointed trilogy to figure this out

George Lucas never even had it "figured out", which is part of the problem.

 

[RandV]

Hey Kathy, they've been there the whole f***ing time.

And the new trilogy does absolutely nothing to inspire more. Quite the opposite actually, with TLJ perhaps being the best from a singular 'movie' perspective but the worst offender here.

This has always been my biggest gripe with the new trilogy. I consider this a core component of Star Wars and if you don't 'get' it you don't understand it at a fundamental level, in my opinion.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

They also need to toss the new EU Books and reopen the Legends EU. They can call the New EU books the EU Sorry lines.

 

[MadDevil]

They also need to toss the new EU Books and reopen the Legends EU. They can call the New EU books the EU Sorry lines.

Honestly, most of the post-Disney EU other than anything Claudia Gray has written has been entirely forgettable. Granted, there was plenty of garbage in the old EU too, but at least they had hits like the Thrawn Trilogy, The X-Wing books, and some other good ones here and there to make up for most of the misses. And I think Dark Horse did a better with the comics than Marvel has since they got the license back.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I think a movie around the first group of X-Wing fighters could be a really cool concept. Isolated. No Jedi. Exciting

 

[Shockmaster]

I wonder where Kathleen Kennedy thinks Thrawn came from?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Hopefully when she's gone Disney throws out everything with the exception of The Mandalorian, Rebels, and Clone Wars Season 7 that has been created under her watch. The people who will be running Lucasfilm (hopefully Favreau and Filoni) should be given a fresh slate and not be forced to try and make excrement smell good.

I hope they do the opposite and re-release every ST movie every year until people realize those films aren't simply going away.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Just make good content, and ideally not having to just live off of what was proven to be quality in the past. Don't just churn out movies and shows based on established characters. Even if they don't want to use characters from EU/Legends that were proven to be successful, they at least should know that different eras have proven success. They can go outside of the OT era and even the short eras before and after OT, and still have a ton of success.

I love Obi-Wan as a character, but his series does nothing for me, except for seeing more of Chow's work. She's one of the few genuinely exciting things that Lucasfilm has right now. Mando actually gave us a unique story in a OT/ST era, so as long as it doesn't go crazy on fan service, that will be good.

I don't care who leads Disney or LF at this point, whoever it is just needs to choose a creative to create a plan for SW, and then have other creatives execute that plan. Marvel created a template for how to execute, but that also doesn't mean you have to copy Marvel's style.

 

[Shockmaster]

I hope they do the opposite and re-release every ST movie every year until people realize those films aren't simply going away.

If Disney wants to keep pushing Star Wars fans away and lose money, sure that's a great idea. Blaming the paying customers because they didn't like bad movies isn't a way to get them back.

Jon Favreau recently explained it best:
Jon Favreau Talks About Keeping Core 'Star Wars' Fans While Reaching Out To New Ones

“We wanted to really wind it back to the things that inspired the original Star Wars and really get it small in scale and tell simple stories, because part of what you inherit when you’re going to see Star Wars now is this whole history, because the stories have been told for decades, and it was nice, with the new medium, to be able to start with a new set of characters to introduce a new audience. But we always knew…and this is something I learned from…over at Marvel and working with Kevin Feige, is you always want to keep the core fans in mind, because they have been the ones that’ve been keeping the torch lit for many, many years, but these are also stories for young people and for new audiences. These are myths, and so you always want to have an outstretched hand to people who might not have that background. And so you’re really telling two stories at once. You’re telling the story for the people who are fresh eyes, and you’re telling the story for the people who’ve been there with the property and with the stories and the characters for so many years, and make sure that you’re honoring them, as well.”

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Honestly, most of the post-Disney EU other than anything Claudia Gray has written has been entirely forgettable. Granted, there was plenty of garbage in the old EU too, but at least they had hits like the Thrawn Trilogy, The X-Wing books, and some other good ones here and there to make up for most of the misses. And I think Dark Horse did a better with the comics than Marvel has since they got the license back.

I agree with you completely, the Legends had some terrible ideas, I'm looking at you inter dimensional being that looks like a slab of meat coated in gold.

But they had such a solid core of writers that had hit a rhythm, The Legacy series turned out to be really solid. I loved the Clone War era books, even the books like Plageuis and the Bane series were exceptional.

In the New EU, the book series Aftermath was actually awful right up until the last few pages which were good. The Lords of the Sith book was terrible, I kind of gave up on buying new Star Wars books.

 

[Shockmaster]

I agree with you completely, the Legends had some terrible ideas, I'm looking at you inter dimensional being that looks like a slab of meat coated in gold.

But they had such a solid core of writers that had hit a rhythm, The Legacy series turned out to be really solid. I loved the Clone War era books, even the books like Plageuis and the Bane series were exceptional.

In the New EU, the book series Aftermath was actually awful right up until the last few pages which were good. The Lords of the Sith book was terrible, I kind of gave up on buying new Star Wars books.

Personally I'm not keen on them re-canonizing everything from the legends EU. As you said, there were some bad ideas and concepts. But there's certainly some really good source material they can pull from for new stories (which apparently Kathleen Kennedy didn't realize existed until last week). Best thing they could do is cherry-pick from the good while ignoring the bad.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

If Disney wants to keep pushing Star Wars fans away and lose money, sure that's a great idea. Blaming the paying customers because they didn't like bad movies isn't a way to get them back.

Jon Favreau recently explained it best:
Jon Favreau Talks About Keeping Core 'Star Wars' Fans While Reaching Out To New Ones

1. I was making a joke because the obsession some fans have with "removing" the ST movies is incredibly sad. They exist. They will continue to exist. Move on and either enjoy the new Star Wars content that is coming out or don't.

2. I am not "blaming" anyone for anything. If Star Wars fans won't come back if movies they don't like aren't "de-canonized" then they are worth losing. Attack of the Clones was a travesty and a lot of the changes Lucas made to the OT (keeping the original versions under lock and key to never be released again) were terrible, but I'm not basing my fandom on whether they will de-canonize that movie or destroy the special editions of the OT.

 

[Shockmaster]

1. I was making a joke because the obsession some fans have with "removing" the ST movies is incredibly sad. They exist. They will continue to exist. Move on and either enjoy the new Star Wars content that is coming out or don't.

If de-canonized, they'd exist the same way legends EU currently exists. No one is suggesting the sequel trilogy can be "unseen" much like an NCAA title vacated couldn't be unremembered by those who took part or witnessed it. The point of de-canonizing them would be to give the next head of Lucasfilm a fresh slate to work with post Return of the Jedi.

2. I am not "blaming" anyone for anything. If Star Wars fans won't come back if movies they don't like aren't "de-canonized" then they are worth losing. Attack of the Clones was a travesty and a lot of the changes Lucas made to the OT (keeping the original versions under lock and key to never be released again) were terrible, but I'm not basing my fandom on whether they will de-canonize that movie or destroy the special editions of the OT.

That way of thinking hasn't served Disney well so far when it comes to Star Wars.

 

[bleedblue1223]

It's fine if the ST ends up like the PT. A clear dark mark in terms of quality on SW as a whole, but in the long-run they really won't have much long-term damage IMO, as long as some quality content starts coming out. If future content continues to divide the fans, then there could be some long-term problems.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

If de-canonized, they'd exist the same way legends EU currently exists. No one is suggesting the sequel trilogy can be "unseen" much like an NCAA title vacated couldn't be unremembered by those who took part or witnessed it. The point of de-canonizing them would be to give the next head of Lucasfilm a fresh slate to work with post Return of the Jedi.

It isn't going to happen, and it is a silly request.

That way of thinking hasn't served Disney well so far when it comes to Star Wars.

That line of thinking has nothing to do with the success of Star Wars.