Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

[Patrik26]

Knowing this team?

Toffoli hat trick or Miller goal. OR some scrub AHLer gets his first NHL goal.

AFTER the video tribute. The Devils missed the boat on this one. Could've had a "Toffoli jersey exchange" promo. Turn in your Toffoli jersey and get an Allen AND Kahkonen for $73 each.

 

[Guadana]

Bratt-for-Tkachuk might be a lateral move on a piece of paper but in terms of the type of game he plays, it's definitely not.

Its a bad move. We should trade other assets, not main players. Bratt signed for little but cheaper deal, is under more controlling years. We need good players for more years, not for less. If we are talking about trading Mercer or Holtz or Gritsyuk oror Casey or Hameenaho - thats another conversation.

 

[megajake]

Brady forsure would be an upgrade on Bratt for us. But I doubt that is what Ottawa would even want. They would prob want picks/prospects. Can offer our first(hopefully top 10) + Holtz + Casey+ some lower end prospect and hope it works. Need players like Brady in our lineup desperately.

 

[Rhodes 81]

I don't think swapping any of our forwards 1 for 1 is going to make that huge of a difference.

If you want to guarantee this year doesn't happen again, the path to doing that is simply completely mortgaging the future. Moving some combination of Casey, Holtz, Mercer, upcoming 1sts, and our B tier of prospects to acquire a true #1 Goalie, a minutes eating LHD, a true 2nd/3rd line center that can move Haula down the lineup. Another 2nd/3rd line winger that can push Palat down the lineup as well. Get somebody to retain on someone and then fill the bottom six with new depth. Nail the coaching hire, hope Dougie comes back as his old self, hope Nemec is ready to shoulder a heavy defensive load and Jack recovers fine in the offseason. We have the trade chips and cap space to go out there and fill every hole in the short term.

Not saying that is what I would do, but if Fitz thinks his job is on the line he might be inclined to swing for the fences and figure out restocking the pipeline/fixing the cap implications later.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Brady Tkachuk has never even been to the playoffs, and is currently captaining the one of biggest disappointments in the NHL.

I don't think that is fair to Tkachuk. So much toxicity and dumb moves in Ottawa for years.

 

[JimEIV]

Its a bad move. We should trade other assets, not main players. Bratt signed for little but cheaper deal, is under more controlling years. We need good players for more years, not for less. If we are talking about trading Mercer or Holtz or Gritsyuk oror Casey or Hameenaho - thats another conversation.

I think this team lacks depth as it is. I much rather make a trade that takes fewer pieces.

If hypothetically we could trade one winger for winger...I think that leaves us in a much healthier position. Than a large package.
I think our pipeline is already too depleted.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Not sure if this was talked about but I mean if that's what Rags fans wanna waste their $25 on then good for Amanda but she really should have been able to figure out who it was for lol...

Look, the idea is funny sure. But it was a lot funnier the first couple of times it was done by other people.

 

[JimEIV]

I don't think swapping any of our forwards 1 for 1 is going to make that huge of a difference.

If you want to guarantee this year doesn't happen again, the path to doing that is simply completely mortgaging the future. Moving some combination of Casey, Holtz, Mercer, upcoming 1sts, and our B tier of prospects to acquire a true #1 Goalie, a minutes eating LHD, a true 2nd/3rd line center that can move Haula down the lineup. Another 2nd/3rd line winger that can push Palat down the lineup as well. Get somebody to retain on someone and then fill the bottom six with new depth. Nail the coaching hire, hope Dougie comes back as his old self, hope Nemec is ready to shoulder a heavy defensive load and Jack recovers fine in the offseason. We have the trade chips and cap space to go out there and fill every hole in the short term.

Not saying that is what I would do, but if Fitz thinks his job is on the line he might be inclined to swing for the fences and figure out restocking the pipeline/fixing the cap implications later.

Swapping 1 for 1 totally changes the complexion of the top 6....in my opinion that's the only reason to do it.

If gives you two big bodies in Meier and Tkachuk that can score goals and be a real pain in the ass to play against. That would be the exact opposite of what we are today.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I think we add 0 wins to the roster swapping Bratt for Brady. Possibly lose wins.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Brady is not a more valuable piece than Bratt when it comes to winning hockey games. they’re similarly valuable, just shaped differently.

If you think that trade is worth making because you prefer the style, that’s ok, but I don’t think trading a quarter for a quarter makes a ton of sense when one of them is a popular member of the team.

Now if I could trade assets for tkachuk and get them to take Palat as part of the deal…

 

[JimEIV]

If Jack is truly injured they are purely mishandling him.

The kid is averaging 21:17 over the last 6 games.... that's ridiculous if he has anything wrong with him.

 

[JK3]

Can Tkachuck score down the stretch? Bratts got 2 goals in his last 20 games, 8 since Jan 1.

 

[NJDfan86]

I don't think that is fair to Tkachuk. So much toxicity and dumb moves in Ottawa for years.

It's not about fair or unfair - it's an objective truth. The poster is giving him some imaginary credentials and I am simply pointing that out.

 

[JimEIV]

Brady is not a more valuable piece than Bratt when it comes to winning hockey games. they’re similarly valuable, just shaped differently.

If you think that trade is worth making because you prefer the style, that’s ok, but I don’t think trading a quarter for a quarter makes a ton of sense when one of them is a popular member of the team.

Now if I could trade assets for tkachuk and get them to take Palat as part of the deal…

Brady has 96 (67 ES) goals and 365 PIM in the last 3 years.

Jesper has 80 (63 ES) goals and 30 PIMs in the last 3 years

Those two players aren't similar.

 

[NJDfan86]

I think it's more that he's 6'4'' 220 lbs, willing to fight, has scored 30 goals in each of the last 3 seasons on a bad team....than his last name

I said he was mildly interesting - it's just he is overrated due to his last name, people are making up playoff runs in his defense in this thread alone.

If he was Brady Smith we wouldn't have these needless comparison to his brother, who is significantly better in every regard.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Can Tkachuck score down the stretch? Bratts got 2 goals in his last 20 game, 8 since Jan 1.

Last year Bratt had 5 goals 13 points from game 70 to game 82. Not to mention Bratt has been mostly very good during that timeframe this year where he hasn’t been able to buy a goal. It would probably help if our franchise player wasn’t awful and didn’t sabotage every PP with his brother.

Brady has been on teams that are a next level of ass that play no games of any consequence down the stretch, so who knows?

 

[JimEIV]

Can Tkachuck score down the stretch? Bratts got 2 goals in his last 20 game, 8 since Jan 1.

Brady has 10 goals in the last 20 games.

Last year Bratt had 5 goals 13 points from game 70 to game 82.

This actually makes feel better about him....Anti garbage time player

Just a joke so relax

 

[JimEIV]

I said he was mildly interesting - it's just he is overrated due to his last name, people are making up playoff runs in his defense in this thread alone.

If he was Brady Smith we wouldn't have these needless comparison to his brother, who is significantly better in every regard.

But saying if his last name was different
It sounds like you you don't see his specific value... especially to our team needs

 

[TrufleShufle]

Brady Tkachuk has never even been to the playoffs, and is currently captaining the one of biggest disappointments in the NHL.

Disclaimer: I love Bratt and don't want him traded for anyone, love Nico and think he should remain the Captain, I have faith this team will bounce back from this year with some minor tweaks. All that out of the way.....

That bolded has stones and glass house written all over it.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

But saying if his last name was different
It sounds like you you don't see his specific value... especially to our team needs

Brady shoots the puck an awful lot. We have a bulk shooter that makes 8+ million dollars already. I guess 2 if you include a healthy Jack too. He’s very good but would he really fit on the team? What happens to his production when he’s not shooting the puck 350 times a year?

It would be interesting, and I’d take him over Mercer at 7+ per year. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see his production dip across the board if he was here

 

[NJDfan86]

Disclaimer: I love Bratt and don't want him traded for anyone, love Nico and think he should remain the Captain, I have faith this team will bounce back from this year with some minor tweaks. All that out of the way.....

That bolded has stones and glass house written all over it.

Did you miss the context there? It’s possible to call out imaginary credentials invented for a player even though our team has also been a huge disappointment.

 

[JK3]

Last year Bratt had 5 goals 13 points from game 70 to game 82. Not to mention Bratt has been mostly very good during that timeframe this year where he hasn’t been able to buy a goal. It would probably help if our franchise player wasn’t awful and didn’t sabotage every PP with his brother.

Brady has been on teams that are a next level of ass that play no games of any consequence down the stretch, so who knows?

I was basically just throwing a grenade into this silly discussion.

 

[NJDfan86]

But saying if his last name was different
It sounds like you you don't see his specific value... especially to our team needs

How so? My argument is that I do see the value, and that my observations are that people assign a much higher value than that.

I also never said he wouldn't fit a need for our team - he obviously would.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I don't think that is fair to Tkachuk. So much toxicity and dumb moves in Ottawa for years.

If the argument is that we need him for his leadership, attitude, and playoff ability - then it's absolutely fair game to criticize his current team's performance under his leadership.

If the argument is that it's for his skills as a hockey player - Jesper Bratt is a better hockey player.

 

[Bleedred]

I would have rather have just moved Bratt two years ago for the better Tkachuk.