Devils fans throw beer on ice, Leafs bench. Cause delay of game.

[Forge]

No, this is 100% about safety and cannot be changed.

I think it can be altered. Skate leaves the ice, no goal. Skate stays on the ice, good goal.

I don’t see a single reason to change the kicking rule. Are people wanting more kicked in pucks?

I don't think the NHL is worse off if some of those disallowed goals are good. Probably not enough of an impact to really make it a priority or anything though

 

[TaLoN]

I think it can be altered. Skate leaves the ice, no goal. Skate stays on the ice, good goal.

Or, just keep it as is. Nothing wrong with it. A kicking motion generally has the skate leaving the ice anyway.

 

[Forge]

Or, just keep it as is. Nothing wrong with it. A kicking motion generally has the skate leaving the ice anyway.

Defining a kicking motion has been pretty contested at times, so you do remove that component, but probably not a big enough deal to really get up in arms about it or really push hard to advocate for a change

 

[ninetyeight]

I don’t see a single reason to change the kicking rule. Are people wanting more kicked in pucks?

My point was more towards the other side, so that every goal that goes in through offensive skate is disallowed. So there is no question if it's a goal or not, no more kicking motion vs skating motion debates. Same with goalie contact, either it's allowed off crease (more risk for goalies to leave the goal) or no contact at all. It's the unclear judgment calls, that cause disagreements and potential for corruption.

 

[Aurinko]

Personally I don't think it would be too dangerous to change the rule and have it be a goal if a kick puck hits an opposition player and goes in.

I don't buy that it would cause everyone to start kicking their feet. trying to do a redirect via kick the puck off opposition would be the very last thing any player would really do to score. There are so many better options to go for.

The puck kick rule dissallowed is annoying. I think it would be much easier to just completely allow kick goals to begin with since it is a skill play and league in general wants to promote skill plays. Now they allow "some" of the kick goals and disallow some that are not even direct goals.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

I'd rather have that goal waived off than allow kicking pucks into the net, I think it's silly that it was called back when Haula was clearly kicking the puck to Bastian and not towards the net, but that's the rule.

I'd also consider supporting changing to the rule to allow kicks that go off players to count but even that's getting dicey.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

I knew a guy who threw a Jack bottle on the ice at Brendan Byrne in ‘83, evolution can be slow in NJ

One of the most educated states in the USA. try harder

 

[Guttersniped]

My point was more towards the other side, so that every goal that goes in through offensive skate is disallowed. So there is no question if it's a goal or not, no more kicking motion vs skating motion debates. Same with goalie contact, either it's allowed off crease (more risk for goalies to leave the goal) or no contact at all. It's the unclear judgment calls, that cause disagreements and potential for corruption.

Goalies need to be able to leave the crease to play the puck and they need to be protected. They can’t be untouchable because then they could theoretically abuse that by throwing picks or initiating contacting more. Not sure I would like any changes there.

The NHL seemed to have made the kicking rule more simple after getting bogged down last year with forward momentum from skating vs a distinct kicking motion.

They aren’t going to say no goals off a player’s foot in any way, that’s too broad since all sorts of things could happen.

Also, they make a distinction when it hits an opposing player’s stick before going in as well and that makes sense.

It was unfortunate that 3 of these calls happened against one team in one game (and it was our team trying to continue a record streak) but that’s the randomness of hockey for ya. There are rules that have to be left up to the referee’s discretion and they were reviewed.

Part of the “disagreement” live is just frustration because the Devils now don’t show the home crowd replays or very rarely do. So the crowd just sits there and stew.

And if you mean now, none of these calls were straight up wrong, other than having the mysterious no goal but no penalty on Tatar. It sucks but it happens.

I wonder if somewhere the league mentions the shift on how they approached the kicking rule. They also might be calling more Goalie Interference this year but it’s hard to tell just anecdotally.

 

[Blackjack]

You haven't seen anything dangerous from a kicked puck because players know a kicked goal is illegal. Legalize it and suddenly more skates start swinging directly at the goaltender... what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Kicking the puck is already legal in all situations except scoring. Players kick picks all the time to clear them out of dangerous areas, keep them away from opponents, move them up to their own stick, or pass them to a teammate. It is simply not a safety issue at all.

You would not see a huge increase in kicks if you legalize scoring that way because it is always a worse option than using your stick. The only time a player deliberately kicks a puck is when their stick is tied up.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Kicking the puck is already legal in all situations except scoring. Players kick picks all the time to clear them out of dangerous areas, keep them away from opponents, move them up to their own stick, or pass them to a teammate. It is simply not a safety issue at all.

You would not see a huge increase in kicks if you legalize scoring that way because it is always a worse option than using your stick. The only time a player deliberately kicks a puck is when their stick is tied up.

Are there usually players crouched over with their face close to the ice trying to put their hand directly on the thing other players are trying to kick when it happens in open ice?

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Player safety, and this isn't soccer.

It's because the players have those metal blades on the bottoms of both feet

Thank you for going through the trouble of responding with such wonderful in-depth comments to my question.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Lmao Murray knocked off his net again today, bet we won't get a thread about that since it doesn't clickbait like this thread did.

 

[Blackjack]

Goalies need to be able to leave the crease to play the puck and they need to be protected. They can’t be untouchable because then they could theoretically abuse that by throwing picks or initiating contacting more. Not sure I would like any changes there.

I disagree, miles wood barreling through the crease is far more hazardous than a simple shoulder check along the boards.

I like Dave Turner’s philosophy. Goalies are heavily protected inside the crease, but fair game outside it. The league has changed since the ‘80s, it’s not as wild as it used to be. I think if you instituted this you’d wouldn’t see injured goalies but you would see goalies giving up goals while they are pinned against the boards. Eventually they’d adjust.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter what I think because these rules will never change.

 

[Blackjack]

Are there usually players crouched over with their face close to the ice trying to put their hand directly on the thing other players are trying to kick when it happens in open ice?

Sometimes, but they’re generally less protected than goalies since the latter wear full face masks and gloves. Can you link me the last time a goalie or anyone else was injured by someone kicking a puck?

 

[Xirik]

Sometimes, but they’re generally less protected than goalies since the latter wear full face masks and gloves. Can you link me the last time a goalie or anyone else was injured by someone kicking a puck?

hasn't really happened....yet.

Kicking requires you to become unbalanced and put all of your weight on one leg. All it takes is for the player to get bumped while he's kicking for him to potentially preform a bicycle kick with his skates.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Sometimes, but they’re generally less protected than goalies since the latter wear full face masks and gloves. Can you link me the last time a goalie or anyone else was injured by someone kicking a puck?

Right, because defenceman never lay down on the ice anywhere near the net.

 

[billingtons ghost]

Because you don't want people kicking pucks at players trying to deflect them into the net? Forget this game, do you really want hockey players trying to kick the puck in skates?

I think every hockey player in the world kicks a puck to his stick five times a game. I don't think anyone can argue that Haula was trying to score there by kicking the puck. He was trying to keep it alive to where he could play it. It bounced in the crease off of two leafs and in. If you just want players to never have a kicking motion anywhere, or in the crease or whatever, then make that the rule.

If a guy kicks a puck to a teammate, and you don't want that to be legal make it a rule like a hand pass.

I thought the spirit of the rule is we don't want guys intentionally kicking pucks into the net to score. I don't see how that is the case here.

Maybe you should learn the rules of hockey. Jobbed. Lol. All 3 calls were the right calls. Be mad all you want. Doesn’t make the calls any less right. If you are still mad try holding your breathe

Maybe you should learn them instead. I actually posted the rule from the rule book above where clearly states that once agoalie was out of the crease he's not interfered with unless the attacking player intentionally runs into him which isn't the case here.

Maybe take a chill man. Break open a bag of milk and listen to the Hip, eh?

 

[Blackjack]

hasn't really happened....yet.

Kicking requires you to become unbalanced and put all of your weight on one leg. All it takes is for the player to get bumped while he's kicking for him to potentially preform a bicycle kick with his skates.

This is absurd. Players do occasionally balance on one foot. “Bumping” a player does not impart the amount of force needed to convert kicking a goal on the ice into a bicycle kick.

I don’t understand the compulsion to imagine ways players could theoretically get hurt when we already have pucks getting kicked into the net and it obviously doesn’t happen.

Right, because defenceman never lay down on the ice anywhere near the net.

They also lay down on the open ice. Can you link me the last time a goalie or anyone else was injured by someone kicking a puck?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

They also lay down on the open ice. Can you link me the last time a goalie or anyone else was injured by someone kicking a puck?

Yes they do, which is when Kane just got stepped on. Do you think that maybe this would increase if you were legally allowed to kick the puck in the net when people are way more desperate to dive in the crease (which is a small area) than in the open f***ing ice (much bigger area, obviously.)

What a disingenuous argument. "This illegal thing doesnt happen often, why is it illegal at all!?"

I dont know, genius, maybe because its against the rules so people try it less, leading to a smaller number of incidents.

 

[ninetyeight]

You can defend the current rules all you want, but the more ambiguous they are the more unfair calls you're gonna see. If you leave room for human error and personal bias, you're gonna get it. All the rules should be as clear as did the puck completely cross the line or not. Either you can do something or you can't. Until this gets changed we'll keep fighting about this same **** one fanbase after another.

 

[NHL1674]

Lmao Murray knocked off his net again today, bet we won't get a thread about that since it doesn't clickbait like this thread did.

Murray truly is a POS. Actually, he's becoming a pretty sad punchline.

 

[Breakers]

The only tragedy is Toronto not being the PP for delay of game.

 

[thusk]

Without Tatar getting called for Goalie Interference it’s a good goal.

Toronto argued that that refs screwed up and didn’t call the penalty and that’s why they didn’t reverse the goal.

So yes, no penalty and no goal makes no sense there. The refs screwed up.

If it’s not “incidental contact” than it’s Goalie Interference, there isn’t a third kind of contact.

The other examples you’re giving is when the goalie is still in the crease. He’s still in it when his foot is out so the rule is different. In that case incidental contact can lead to no goal.

If a player initiate contact with goalie whatever where he is on the ice without any effort to avoid it and prevent goalie to have ability to make a save.. YES ref can disallowed the goal

 

[TaLoN]

Kicking the puck is already legal in all situations except scoring. Players kick picks all the time to clear them out of dangerous areas, keep them away from opponents, move them up to their own stick, or pass them to a teammate. It is simply not a safety issue at all.

You would not see a huge increase in kicks if you legalize scoring that way because it is always a worse option than using your stick. The only time a player deliberately kicks a puck is when their stick is tied up.

Kicking at a puck at the blue line is not at all the same as kicking it in the crease when the goaltender is trying to cover it with his glove. It is ABSOLUTELY a safety issue.

 

[TaLoN]

Lmao Murray knocked off his net again today, bet we won't get a thread about that since it doesn't clickbait like this thread did.

I created a thread about it before I even saw this post...