24/25 McDavid vs. 14/15 Crosby

[daver]

Crosby takes a lot of criticism for his 14/15 season. Even though he lead the league in PPG, it was barely above the other leaders and he some missed games cost which him the Art Ross. It was also the peak of DPE 2.0 where only three players reached a 100 points over a four seasons ('13/14 to '16/17) so Crosby's 84 points looks unimpressive also relative to other years. He still lead the Pens in points and tied with Malkin for goals. His PPG was 12% better than 10th place and 25% better than 20th place.

McDavid is currently T4th in scoring and 5th in PPG. He is 2nd on the Oilers in scoring and in goals. His PPG is 19% better than 10th place and 27% better than 20th place.

Can you argue that McDavid's 24/25 season, so far, is on par with Crosby's 14/15 season? He hasn't separated himself from the pack any better than Crosby did.

McDavid's PPG of 1.40 is T14th best since the 21/22 season, Crosby's PPG of 1.09 was T10th best over four seasons ('13/14 to '16/17).

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[Randyne]

he some missed games cost which him the Art Ross

Fortunately for the Pens, those missed games by Sid gifted them PO spot.
2014/15: PIT P% w/o Sid .700; with Sid .591
If Sid played all games the Pens would lose their spot to Boston that year.

The Pens play better w/o Sid, they should send him golfing again if they want to play in the playoffs.

 

[D Wakaluk]

Crosby takes a lot of criticism for his 14/15 season.

"... and I took that personally".

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Anyway, yeah, sure.

Also, what, why, is there another grand scheme I'm missing here?

 

[benr]

"... and I took that personally".

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Anyway, yeah, sure.

Also, what, why, is there another grand scheme I'm missing here?

The grand scheme is slowing down the inevitable passing of Crosby by McDavid in the public’s perception

 

[WalterLundy]

2024-25: ESG: 2.33, PPG: 0.59, SHG: 0.07
2014-15: ESG: 2.02, PPG: 0.57, SHG: 0.07


Actual 2014-15 Crosby:
77 GP: 28 G, 56 A, 84 P (1.09)

Adjusted to 2024-25:
77 GP: 31 G, 62 A, 93 P (1.21)

McDavid has not been great by his standards this season but it is still significantly better than what Crosby did in 2014-15. That year was a combination of a low scoring environment and top players failing in an epic fashion to produce. It was so abysmal for production that Jamie Benn won the Art Ross. It was an indictment on the league with how horrid it was. Crosby’s adjusted points per game would be around what Jack Eichel is at this season and he is 10th. Crosby’s season even in this year’s scoring environment is a below 100 point/82 game pace. Several players will blast by that number this year.

I will say that McDavid is having a disappointing season overall by his standards and that I expected far more this year but 2014-15 was probably the worst season that I ever watched. That was mind numbing and embarrassing stuff. His current season would still win the 2014-15 Art Ross comfortably even with 76 games max to play and this is his worst season since 2017 or 2018. Nobody is having an otherworldly year this season when scoring environment is considered for point production but it still far exceeds the disaster of 2015.

 

[Toby91ca]

Fortunately for the Pens, those missed games by Sid gifted them PO spot.
2014/15: PIT P% w/o Sid .700; with Sid .591
If Sid played all games the Pens would lose their spot to Boston that year.

The Pens play better w/o Sid, they should send him golfing again if they want to play in the playoffs.

So what you are saying is…if Crosby played all the games, they would be worse and fall to their P% with him in the lineup at .591 and somehow that would cause them to miss the playoffs to Boston and their .585 P%….is this what you are trying to say?

 

[Randyne]

So what you are saying is…if Crosby played all the games, they would be worse and fall to their P% with him in the lineup at .591 and somehow that would cause them to miss the playoffs to Boston and their .585 P%….is this what you are trying to say?

2 points difference.

 

[filinski77]

The grand scheme is slowing down the inevitable passing of Crosby by McDavid in the public’s perception

By comparing McDavids worst season of his career (or 2nd worst if you say his rookie season) to Crosby's 5th or 6th BEST season?

 

[Toby91ca]

2 points difference.

You can't be serious can you? Everyone knows the point difference, you just need to look up the standings. But you do realize, using your numbers, the difference between a .700 P% and a .591 P% over the 5 games he missed is 1 pt right? Or even easier, I'll remove as much math as possible....how can a .585 P% team get into the playoffs over a .591 P% team? Apologies for incorporating some math, but all you need to do is consider which one of those numbers is larger.