Devils fans throw beer on ice, Leafs bench. Cause delay of game.

[DevilDog]

Casual fans who don't know the rules get angry when their team loses and can only put the puck in the net by committing an infraction. Imagine you guys spent this much time reading the NHL rulebook, instead of whatever the hell this thread is

"advanced stats" The eye-test and the score told me they got outplayed, almost no chances generated 5 on 5, a big chunk of their shots came on the PP

Regardless you're still dodging, fans throwing beers and garbage at the opposing teams players and on the ice is just a disgrace. The fact that you support that kind of behavior tells me all I need to know.

No one knows what goaltender interference is. Not the refs, not the league and the not the fans. It’s a subjective call that the league literally redefined this year. Don’t pretend it isn’t true.

The Devils buried them in the 2nd and 3rd period and ended up outshooting them 35-20. Saying Toronto was the better team is wildly inaccurate and tells me all I need to know about your opinion.

I don’t support it but I can certainly understand it As its unprecedented to have three goals waved off on 2 extremely questionable calls

 

[glenwo2]

So has this thread run its course now?

Have we all calmed down?

To any Leafs fan lurking, I look forward to both our teams battling out again.

Hopefully next time, it will be a game that won't have goals being called back (legit or not) but two teams fighting tooth and nail to get a win.

To any Devils fans, we have more games to play this season. Let's no longer dwell on the past, let's focus on the next opponent (Buffalo is looking pretty good)...

that is all.

Have a wonderful day, everyone.

 

[thusk]

It’s either a penalty or a goal if the goalie is outside the crease.

It

You can’t have no penalty and no goal in this situation.

The refs in the game got it so wrong that Toronto had to correct them later while the game was still going. (They argued that refs missed the penalty.)

The refs were worse than usual considering they screwed this up. That’s not up for debate.

Read correctly incidental contact can be allowed if player made reasonable effort to avoid it... tatar never try to avoid contact... not telling ref need to call penalty to disallow the goal

Its the same thing than a goalie with a foot out of his crease and a opposite player initiate a contact on his foot, still goaltender interference and goal will be diallow

but if goaltender is out of his crease and he initiate contact with opposite player, it is not goaltender interference and goal will be allow...

 

[PaulD]

No one should be throwing stuff on the ice, but this is just frustration boiling over. We've had something like 12 goals overturned this season, quite a few on questionable "judgement calls" or mystery video review. The 3 overturned goals tonight, plus the obvious missed penalties like Marner on Bastian before the first overturned goal, Murray intentionally delaying the game when the Leafs were trapped in their zone for 2 minutes, etc.

People are fed up with the standard of officiating in this league.

Hat tricks is ok to toss ...... so piss off them Luther fans and they see no difference I suppose .

 

[BFLO]

The first call is rough. The devil player is getting hooked/interfered with by the Leaf defender. Pushed into the spot where the goalie made contact. If there wasn’t a leaf players stick pushing him into that spot, then sure, it’s goalie interference.

2nd and 3rd seem straight forward and correct.

Edit: I take it back on the 3rd goal. The kick wasn’t aimed at the net. It was an own goal after bouncing off two leafs.


I personally think they should allow kicked goals, never actually seen anything dangerous come from a kicked puck and it’s legal to kick as long as it’s not on net.

 

[Terrier]

Bring back Machete Night!

 

[TaLoN]

I personally think they should allow kicked goals, never actually seen anything dangerous come from a kicked puck and it’s legal to kick as long as it’s not on net.

You haven't seen anything dangerous from a kicked puck because players know a kicked goal is illegal. Legalize it and suddenly more skates start swinging directly at the goaltender... what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Does anyone know why exactly are the kicked goals disallowed? What exactly is the rule supposed to achieve?

Just started to wonder what is so bad about that. I get it that in soccer its a foul to touch the ball with your hand but that kind of logic doesnt really apply to ice hockey and kicking the puck.

So what if the players started kicking the pucks in? Dont think we would have that many kicked goals throughout the season if they were allowed, a marginal phenomenom.

Guess it relates to player safety? Why isnt a kicking motion then banned alltogether?

 

[Rude Dog]

People say the third goal was bad.

It was kicked away from the net, Haula was trying to get it to his stick. It then caromed off of two Leaf players.

Since when can you wave off a goal that caroms in? If I kick a puck in any direction and then another player knocks it into his own goal, with a skate or stick, by making it change direction, how is this not a good goal?

All three were actually good goals in 99% of those situations. You could make a really weak case that Bastians skate hit Murray's and that was invincibility contact I'm the crease, but it didn't impede him from making the save.

Learn the rules. Doesnt matter if it goes off leafs after the fact. Also devil guy cant hang out in the crease. He absolutely may have affected murray from not saving it. Maybe. Maybe not. But standing in the crease is enough to get it returned. Can’t believe how many posters here don’t understand that.

 

[AvroArrow]

No one knows what goaltender interference is. Not the refs, not the league and the not the fans. It’s a subjective call that the league literally redefined this year. Don’t pretend it isn’t true.

The Devils buried them in the 2nd and 3rd period and ended up outshooting them 35-20. Saying Toronto was the better team is wildly inaccurate and tells me all I need to know about your opinion.

I don’t support it but I can certainly understand it As its unprecedented to have three goals waved off on 2 extremely questionable calls

You're more upset at the fact that I said the devils got outplayed, opposed to devils fans throwing full beer cans and other garbage at the Leafs players, at their bench both during and after the game. This tells me all I need to know about your opinion

 

[SoVi3t]

Does anyone know why exactly are the kicked goals disallowed? What exactly is the rule supposed to achieve?

Player safety, and this isn't soccer.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Does anyone know why exactly are the kicked goals disallowed? What exactly is the rule supposed to achieve?

It's because the players have those metal blades on the bottoms of both feet

 

[ninetyeight]

Was this posted here already:



The game / goals were discussed in the Steve Dangle Podcast. I applaud their fair and objective takes (them being Leafs fans) and the ability to view it from Devils perspective and what this kinda reffing means to the game as a whole.

 

[scoopscj]

As a Devil's fan, this made me sad. I understand the anger. The goalie bump was the one that got me the most of the 3 calls. Win some / lose some. Thought my team played damn well. Leafs too.

Long time ago I was at Giant's stadium in the infamous 'snowball game' vs Chargers. Was horrid too. Sometimes people take things too far. This was one of those times.

 

[BFLO]

You haven't seen anything dangerous from a kicked puck because players know a kicked goal is illegal. Legalize it and suddenly more skates start swinging directly at the goaltender... what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

What's far more dangerous are hits that cause a players feet to end up in the air with him flat on his back or stomach. See Malarchuck and Zednik.

A kicked pass in the goal crease is perfectly legal. But a kicked shot on goal crosses the safety line?

 

[Aurinko]

I don't look up to devils fans or hockey fans in general, but that was a good hockey game and Devils have an amazing hockey team. I'm guessing and hoping that they will bounce back.

 

[glenwo2]

Was this posted here already:



The game / goals were discussed in the Steve Dangle Podcast. I applaud their fair and objective takes (them being Leafs fans) and the ability to view it from Devils perspective and what this kinda reffing means to the game as a whole.

The guy on the right is annoying as hell.

 

[severian]

3rd disallowed goal was a super clear distinct kicking motion, don’t think anyone is arguing against that?

For the first 2, here they are:



Those are clear goaltender interference, no? The first one may not look like much from the stands, but there’s a lot of skate on skate contact there, he’s standing in the crease and clearly preventing Murray from sliding over properly, that gets called every time. 2nd is super obvious too, Tatar straight up runs him over - absolute no brainer to call that back, Tatar was extremely lucky to escape without a penalty.

The weirdest thing to me is it seems like ppl were throwing beer cans onto the ice. They allow cans at the Devils arena? Every arena I’ve been to they pour out the beer into plastic cups, to ensure you have no cans/bottles to throw.

Also wild was the refs not calling delay of game on the fans here, the rule is there for precisely this reason.

Theyve gone to selling almost exclusively these massive 24 or 36 Oz cans of beer at Prudential Center. So the drunkenness level at this one was through the roof. Fun game to be at to be honest.

 

[Xirik]

Personally I don't think it would be too dangerous to change the rule and have it be a goal if a kick puck hits an opposition player and goes in.

I don't buy that it would cause everyone to start kicking their feet. trying to do a redirect via kick the puck off opposition would be the very last thing any player would really do to score. There are so many better options to go for.

 

[BFLO]

It's because the players have those metal blades on the bottoms of both feet

Player safety, and this isn't soccer.

Perfectly legal to kick a pass anywhere on the ice. It's not about safety.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Perfectly legal to kick a pass anywhere on the ice. It's not about safety.

Kicking at a puck in the neutral zone is a far cry from kicking at a puck while another person is trying to put their hand over it.

 

[ninetyeight]

Kicking at a puck in the neutral zone is a far cry from kicking at a puck while another person is trying to put their hand over it.

But you can kick it in the crease if you kick it to pass. I think either all kicks are fine or no kicks at all. It's these loose definitions, judgement calls, calling everything in a vacuum and in the moment that make hockey such a joke compared to other well established sports. There needs to be clear binary rules, no ifs maybes and unlesses.

 

[Guttersniped]

Read correctly incidental contact can be allowed if player made reasonable effort to avoid it... tatar never try to avoid contact... not telling ref need to call penalty to disallow the goal

Its the same thing than a goalie with a foot out of his crease and a opposite player initiate a contact on his foot, still goaltender interference and goal will be diallow

but if goaltender is out of his crease and he initiate contact with opposite player, it is not goaltender interference and goal will be allow...

Without Tatar getting called for Goalie Interference it’s a good goal.

Toronto argued that that refs screwed up and didn’t call the penalty and that’s why they didn’t reverse the goal.

So yes, no penalty and no goal makes no sense there. The refs screwed up.

If it’s not “incidental contact” than it’s Goalie Interference, there isn’t a third kind of contact.

The other examples you’re giving is when the goalie is still in the crease. He’s still in it when his foot is out so the rule is different. In that case incidental contact can lead to no goal.

 

[TaLoN]

But you can kick it in the crease if you kick it to pass. I think either all kicks are fine or no kicks at all. It's these loose definitions, judgement calls, calling everything in a vacuum and in the moment that make hockey such a joke compared to other well established sports. There needs to be clear binary rules, no ifs maybes and unlesses.

A kicked pass generally keeps the skate blade low on the ice. Not very dangerous. You allow kicked goals, you now open all kicking motions into it, and players start kicking at the puck like it's soccer, you end up with raised skate blades in the crease as the player can't get to it with his tied up stick.

No, this is 100% about safety and cannot be changed.

 

[Guttersniped]

I don’t see a single reason to change the kicking rule. Are people wanting more kicked in pucks?