What does Bedard have to do to make Team Canada?

[Mr Positive]

Bedard hasn't hit his potential yet. I bet he will show signs of it, hopefully in time for Olympic selection

 

[nbwingsfan]

Beaded might be behind Fantili too.

Hahaha WHAT

 

[nbwingsfan]

Get better defensively, his defensive game shows on the record

Last 2 years stats combined, he's second worst in +/-

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Two Chicago and 3 SJ players on that list. Do you think those are the 5 worst players in the league defensively? Or guys who played a lot on the two (by far) worst teams in the league?

 

[WPGDEVILS]

Who is that exactly? As a Sharks fan, I want to know who I am overlooking?

Eklund and Toffoli have about the same number of points as Teravainen and Donation, and then there is a steep drop-off from there. Pretty much just like the Blackhawks. To that point, there is only a 1 goal difference in goals for between the teams, and CHI is on top.

Edit: not to mention that was the Sharks traded their leading scorer Granlund who they traded ~5 games ago.

IMO Walman, Eklund and Toffoli are much better players. Eklund looks to be something special and Smith shows flashes. I see the future core and the talent that will continue to improve.

Compared to the Hawks and there’s not a single name on that team that excites me. Someone’s gotta score but nobody on that team is near Eklunds talent maybe even Toffoli talent.

 

[Mattb124]

IMO Walman, Eklund and Toffoli are much better players. Eklund looks to be something special and Smith shows flashes. I see the future core and the talent that will continue to improve.

Compared to the Hawks and there’s not a single name on that team that excites me. Someone’s gotta score but nobody on that team is near Eklunds talent maybe even Toffoli talent.

They may be better, but their on-ice results don’t demonstrate that.

Walman has a slight edge on Jones offense-wise (30 vs 26 pts) but our depth beyond that is crap. Vlasic and Murphy have 34 points combined while the Sharks #2 and #3 D-scorers post-Ceci trade have 21. Walman has unfortunately cooled off quite a bit, time will tell if he can regain his early-season form.

I think Eklund has a bright future, but he is young and isn’t out-producing his closest peer on CHI. Smith has great potential and is showing improvement, but has been wildly inconsistent so far this season.

Not trying to win an argument here, just trying to demonstrate that we very likely have it as bad or worse than CHI, at least until after CHI’s TDL moves happen. SJS already traded our best goalie, best forward, and 2nd best D to get a head start on the race to the bottom.

 

[Bombshell11]

Two Chicago and 3 SJ players on that list. Do you think those are the 5 worst players in the league defensively? Or guys who played a lot on the two (by far) worst teams in the league?

Bedard is absolutely bad on defense and on faceoffs which led to many goals scored against his team

Its a fact

 

[nbwingsfan]

Bedard is absolutely bad on defense and on faceoffs which led to many goals scored against his team

Its a fact

While true, which is also true for 99% of teenagers in the NHL who don’t produce nearly the offense he does, pointing to +/- as some kind of evidence is hilarious

Play a lot on horrible teams = very poor +|-

It’s amazing that people who like hockey enough to post on a messenger board can’t seem to grasp this

Unless you think Dylan Demelo or OEL are twice the defenseman than Roman Josi is…?

 

[Bombshell11]

While true, which is also true for 99% of teenagers in the NHL who don’t produce nearly the offense he does, pointing to +/- as some kind of evidence is hilarious

Play a lot on horrible teams = very poor +|-

It’s amazing that people who like hockey enough to post on a messenger board can’t seem to grasp this

Unless you think Dylan Demelo or OEL are twice the defenseman than Roman Josi is…?

Its not evidence, its an indication. he's just terrible defensively.
Ask Mark Messier who called him out on air for being too soft, what does he know?
No other player in the league is allowed to do play this soft.

If he was just a little more aggressive and firm with his actions without the puck, there's at least, at least 5-15 goals he could have prevented. A bunch would have been neutralised by just simply winning more faceoffs and another lot of goals would have been prevented if he offered a tiny bit of a better challenge to the opposite team.

And of course he's not scoring at the pace people had in mind before the draft. He's on pace for 23 goals this season. For the amount of minutes he's playing and all the PP time hes getting, its just terrible.

Bad defense + poor scoring = bad +/-

Even if he just scored 10 extra goals this year and prevented 5 goals against... thats right there +15.

He needs to do his part first before we start talking about his teammates.

 

[ViD]

Is he in another slump ?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

First 125 games, Mackinnon 38 goals, 101 points. Bedard, 38 goals, 110 points.

Mackinnon played with Landeskog, Duchene, O'Reilly, Iginla. Bedard plays with Teravainen and Tyler Bertuzzi.

You're judgment is poor.

Yeah because MacKinnon and Bedard are so similar...

 

[nbwingsfan]

Its not evidence, its an indication. he's just terrible defensively.
Ask Mark Messier who called him out on air for being too soft, what does he know?
No other player in the league is allowed to do play this soft.

If he was just a little more aggressive and firm with his actions without the puck, there's at least, at least 5-15 goals he could have prevented. A bunch would have been neutralised by just simply winning more faceoffs and another lot of goals would have been prevented if he offered a tiny bit of a better challenge to the opposite team.

And of course he's not scoring at the pace people had in mind before the draft. He's on pace for 23 goals this season. For the amount of minutes he's playing and all the PP time hes getting, its just terrible.

Bad defense + poor scoring = bad +/-

Even if he just scored 10 extra goals this year and prevented 5 goals against... thats right there +15.

He needs to do his part first before we start talking about his teammates.

23 goals and 70points, not surprising you left that part out. Pretty hard to score more when teams can cover you knowing you are the single offensive threat on the entire team

And I’ll ask again, do you think Demelo is twice the defenseman that Roman Josi is this season? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[Offtheboard412]

Git gud.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

23 goals and 70points, not surprising you left that part out. Pretty hard to score more when teams can cover you knowing you are the single offensive threat on the entire team

And I’ll ask again, do you think Demelo is twice the defenseman that Roman Josi is this season? A simple yes or no will do.

23g 70p is an average 2nd liner season these days.

and spare me the teammates argument, a supposed generational talent should be at the top of the league in scoring no matter who he's out there with, thats what being generational is.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I don't think he'd be in top 6 for Canada, and he doesn't have the defense/tenacity for bottom 6.

Needs to become a more complete player to play wing in Canada's top 6.

 

[Summer Rose]

Its not evidence, its an indication. he's just terrible defensively.
Ask Mark Messier who called him out on air for being too soft, what does he know?
No other player in the league is allowed to do play this soft.

If he was just a little more aggressive and firm with his actions without the puck, there's at least, at least 5-15 goals he could have prevented. A bunch would have been neutralised by just simply winning more faceoffs and another lot of goals would have been prevented if he offered a tiny bit of a better challenge to the opposite team.

And of course he's not scoring at the pace people had in mind before the draft. He's on pace for 23 goals this season. For the amount of minutes he's playing and all the PP time hes getting, its just terrible.

Bad defense + poor scoring = bad +/-

Even if he just scored 10 extra goals this year and prevented 5 goals against... thats right there +15.

He needs to do his part first before we start talking about his teammates.

I agree with all of this.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to say that I feel like plus/minus is a stat that is often demonized lately (let's say in the past decade or so). I don't think it's a bad stat, it's just one where context is key to interpreting it. Furthermore, if it's really high or really low, then it's absolutely telling you something about that player. Bedard having being at -26 and scoring 49 points is definitely telling you something. His -26 rating is good for third worst on the team.