Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[JimEIV]

What about them? Hamilton and Pesce are totally complementary RD. Hamilton eats minutes on the PP, Pesce eats minutes on the PK, I don't think the ice time becomes an issue anywhere in this situation.

In the same way that people look at the gap between 2nd and 3rd line totally incorrectly, they also see the gap between 2nd and 3rd pairing defenseman the wrong way. in 2023, the Devils had 5 defenseman average > ~20:00 (Hamilton 21:46, Marino 21:04, Siegenthaler 20:09, Severson 19:57, Graves 19:57).

The distribution of D minutes we had in 2023 was a rarity. More than a rarity a unicorn.

It was ideal in my opinion but virtually impossible to achieve without incredible depth....it was even closer 5v5...we just rolled 3 pairs with very little drop off.

I don't recall us ever having distribution of minutes like that.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

The point isn't (and hasn't ever been) "let's sign a bunch of guys and then trade them when we can't afford them". The point has always been "avoiding adding a guy who helps your team dramatically because you're worried about paying him in 4 years" is shortsighted and stupid. The Devils cap is in great shape, Pesce is a great fit, worry about moving Palat when it's time to pay Luke if (not WHEN, IF) it becomes an issue.

The problem is we aren’t in that great of cap shape with everything we are looking to add this off-season. So spending an extra 2M to arguably marginally improve on the best positional area of our team short-term doesn’t make a ton of sense.

I don’t think they intend on getting rid of Marino which is also not a good idea.

 

[theoptimist]

Job security Jonas

 

[Ripshot 43]

Pesce is only the tip of the iceberg, this team is going to look drastically different by July 2nd

This has been my feeling as well. Feels like Fitz will be busy starting with the Markstrom trade.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Pesce is only the tip of the iceberg, this team is going to look drastically different by July 2nd

We ready to lock that in?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I much rather trade Siegs and get Dillon/Zadorov than trade Marino for a Pesce UFA sign but it is what it is considering a team will be more willing to want Marino

 

[ndkjr70]

The distribution of D minutes we had in 2023 was a rarity. More than a rarity a unicorn.

It was ideal in my opinion but virtually impossible to achieve without incredible depth....it was even closer 5v5...we just rolled 3 pairs with very little drop off.

I don't recall us ever having distribution of minutes like that.

Isn't "incredible depth" something worth striving for? Acting like Pesce has no place on this team 2 years from now when Nemec is a star is why I responded to that post.

 

[JimEIV]

So this is going to be the "Summer of Fitz"?


Hmmm.

 

[NjDevsRR]

So this is going to be the "Summer of Fitz"?


Hmmm.

 

[JimEIV]

Isn't "incredible depth" something worth striving for? Acting like Pesce has no place on this team 2 years from now when Nemec is a star is why I responded to that post.

Absolutely. That's exactly what we should be striving for... it's just hard in a cap world.

I'm totally with you on your point... it's just financially I'm not sure it's possible...I still think we need another 2 or 3 forwards too.

 

[DerekDevils30]

So this is going to be the "Summer of Fitz"?


Hmmm.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

If the cap jumps up multiple times over the next few years like it’s looking like it will, most reasonable deals will be just fine. And the Jack and Bratt deals we’ve already inked will be even bigger steals.

 

[Cheddabombs]

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[Zacha37]

I wonder who the target will be for the top 6. Feels like signing Pesce would take us out of the running for Debrusk, who I was hoping we’d go after.

 

[megajake]

I wonder who the target will be for the top 6. Feels like signing Pesce would take us out of the running for Debrusk, who I was hoping we’d go after.

We would most likely move Marino, so don't think it would impact interest on Debrusk.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I wonder who the target will be for the top 6. Feels like signing Pesce would take us out of the running for Debrusk, who I was hoping we’d go after.

Not necessarily. We should still have around 6M to work with and Debrusk may not be in for of if any raise from his current 4M.

 

[Killing Joke]

I wonder who the target will be for the top 6. Feels like signing Pesce would take us out of the running for Debrusk, who I was hoping we’d go after.

maybe crouse? or ehlers?

 

[Zacha37]

Not necessarily. We should still have around 6M to work with and Debrusk may not be in for of if any raise from his current 4M.

I could be overthinking, but I feel as if he’ll get at least 5-5.5 on the market.

maybe crouse? or ehlers?

Crouse would fit the top 9 like a glove.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Desimone is back

 

[TrufleShufle]

Safe to assume this completely squashes the Pesce talk.

 

[Saugus]

Safe to assume this completely squashes the Pesce talk.

I honestly forgot we had that guy. No idea why we're re-signing him but whatever.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Safe to assume this completely squashes the Pesce talk.

Nice. He was good for us. Played really well with Luke.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

No, you can talk about "we need this" or "we need that." Not saying that shit like "I don't see the point in acquiring X player." as we don't have the entire picture yet. We don't know what the vision is yet. Let the offseason play out. It's June 24th ffs.

"We need this"

It's June 24th ffs

See I can play this game too. There's no point of discussing what we need right now.

 

[Devils Trap]

I honestly forgot we had that guy. No idea why we're re-signing him but whatever.

Need depth guys, we will be close to the cap. This is just a cheap body.

 

[Bleedred]

I think he's probably the Smith replacement. I don't expect him to play as many games as Smith did last year. Unlike Smith, I actually think he'll be penciled in to be the 7th defenseman in a healthy roster, unlike Smith who was rarely a healthy scratch last season, despite being a healthy scratch frequently though the final quarter of the 22-23 season.