Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[Hisch13r]

Canes fans also seem to think he's lost a step.

Would be a perplexing move IMO. Not necessarily a clear upgrade and you lock yourself into a more expensive, longer-term deal. I get that Marino would be moved to upgrade elsewhere, I just don't see the point.

This to me screams Fitz overvaluing grrrrrit

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Brett Pesce is a clear upgrade on John Marino lol.

Hes a very good PKer, very good defensive Dman who also checks the box of making us tougher to play against. Doesnt lay hits like that, but great at clearing the crease / blocking shots

Not to mention Marino can be used to upgrade another position / gain assets

Agreed, with Winnipeg having a clear need for RHD, this seems like a match made in heaven.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Stats tell a different picture. First is 21-22 and the second is this past year, two years older.

Please tell me you don’t think that means a single thing.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I'm confused... what's that supposed to be telling me? Are we expecting him to come and be Luke? What's that have to do with his play in the playoffs?

His skating didn’t drop off at all, if anything it is better than it was when he was 28.

 

[Hisch13r]

We need good defensive players. Pesce is that. Clock is ticking but the window is open with lots of youth. Contracts get moved when needed. I’d be happy with Pesce, just don’t make it too extreme of a deal.

But like so is Marino. So if you’re bringing in Pesce but moving out Marino you’re looking at a wash defensively while being worse contract wise and older.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

His skating didn’t drop off at all, if anything it is better than it was when he was 28.

Oh no

 

[DVision44]

His skating didn’t drop off at all, if anything it is better than it was when he was 28.

Gotcha

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

I thought they would re-sign DeSimone. But thought it would be a one year, two way deal rather than one way.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Oh no

Not sure why it bothers you, it is just data points.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

If you think you can take that conclusion from that data I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a ridiculous conclusion.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

If you think you can take that conclusion from that data I don’t know what to tell you. It’s a ridiculous conclusion.

That his skating isn’t dropping off? Do you have a better way of coming to that conclusion? Measuring game speed is the only way to do so.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

That his skating isn’t dropping off? Do you have a better way of coming to that conclusion? Measuring game speed is the only way to do so.

Even if there isn’t a better way to do so statistically that’s not even close to a half decent way of doing so. At most you could say it’s a good sign.


Him having a few more burst over a certain speed doesnt come anywhere close to telling me that his skating hasn’t declined.

 

[MasterofGrond]

One way vs two doesn’t make a lick of difference unless you think the team is gonna cheap out over like 400k

 

[Captain3rdLine]

One way vs two doesn’t make a lick of difference unless you think the team is gonna cheap out over like 400k

It does usually at least mean they intend on him starting with the big club

 

[devilsfan950003]

I think he's probably the Smith replacement. I don't expect him to play as many games as Smith did last year. Unlike Smith, I actually think he'll be penciled in to be the 7th defenseman in a healthy roster, unlike Smith who was rarely a healthy scratch last season, despite being a healthy scratch frequently though the final quarter of the 22-23 season.

They probably want to keep Santeri Hatakka on the Comets. There's no need to keep him as a 7th defenseman in the press box. Nick DeSimone is better as the 7th Dman while Hatakka gets more ice time in AHL. DeSimone wasn't bad, he's cheap and comes with size.

Examining Nick DeSimone’s underrated NHL start with the Calgary Flames

 

[Captain3rdLine]

They probably want to keep Santeri Hatakka on the Comets. There's no need to keep him as a 7th defenseman in the press box. Nick DeSimone is better as the 7th Dman while Hatakka gets more ice time in AHL. DeSimone wasn't bad, he's cheap and comes with size.

Examining Nick DeSimone’s underrated NHL start with the Calgary Flames

Only thing is Hattaka has to go through waivers

 

[Forge]

Devils putting Hatakka through waivers:

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I'm cool bringing DeSimone back.

 

[njdevils1982]

That’s a killer lineup.

ohhhhh!!

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Even if there isn’t a better way to do so statistically that’s not even close to a half decent way of doing so. At most you could say it’s a good sign.


Him having a few more burst over a certain speed doesnt come anywhere close to telling me that his skating hasn’t declined.

So you don’t believe if a study was done with max skating speed from one year to another that comparable measurements (trends) wouldn’t be found in all areas of skating, if measured? I think there is probably a pretty strong correlation when comparing the same player.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Let’s make this clear, I don’t believe Pesce is a good skater, I just don’t believe he is worse.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

But like so is Marino. So if you’re bringing in Pesce but moving out Marino you’re looking at a wash defensively while being worse contract wise and older.

I think this may be the reasoning:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805319046415479093

Particularly if they want him paired with Luke. It’s hard to say given we have no idea what else is coming.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

So you don’t believe if a study was done with max skating speed from one year to another that comparable measurements (trends) wouldn’t be found in all areas of skating, if measured? I think there is probably a pretty strong correlation when comparing the same player.

In all areas of skating? No not at all. There’s so many different aspects of skating and just taking their maximum speed on its own does not remotely tell you if their overall skating has improved or declined.

Let’s make this clear, I don’t believe Pesce is a good skater, I just don’t believe he is worse.

I don’t know if he’s worse or not. I just don’t think you can reasonably take the conclusion you did from the data you provided.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Devils putting Hatakka through waivers:

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They will get him sent down for camp no problem, mid-season might be tricky but that's why he is your 8th D, he would only come up if someone goes down long term

Desimone is going to be the 7th D that comes in for short term duty

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

In all areas of skating? No not at all. There’s so many different aspects of skating and just taking their maximum speed on its own does not remotely tell you if their overall skating has improved or declined.


I don’t know if he’s worse or not. I just don’t think you can reasonably take the conclusion you did from the data you provided.

If one’s max speed has increased then there is a strong correlation their acceleration has improved as well, unless they changed the skate cut (highly doubt this).