Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[Captain3rdLine]

My point is that Palat's contract is not preventing us from doing literally anything. Say he was making $4 million instead of $6. What huge move are we then making?

I’m not part of this argument but I disagree with this part. That 2M very much could be the different between being able to make a big signing or not.

 

[Emperoreddy]

No real reason to assume this is some awful decision with faulty reasoning. I trust the analytics team and Fitz in general. They certainly have some in house stuff they’re relying on. There are likely non goalie reasons that we underperformed xG models.

This is the absolutely crippling blunder of a deal that should shake your faith in the regime:

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Look at those crippling analytics to go along with that crippling contract and that crippling face.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I’m not part of this argument but I disagree with this part. That 2M very much could be the different between being able to make a big signing or not.

if they REALLY wanted to do something, they'd dump someone else for a pick or something.

Teams do this type of thing all the time.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

if they REALLY wanted to do something, they'd dump someone else for a pick or something.

Teams do this type of thing all the time.

Who would we dump? Pretty much anyone we could dump would have to be replaced. Palat is the only one and wouldn’t be a cheap dump.

And that’s only something you really do if you have something lined up.

 

[JimEIV]

No real reason to assume this is some awful decision with faulty reasoning. I trust the analytics team and Fitz in general. They certainly have some in house stuff they’re relying on. There are likely non goalie reasons that we underperformed xG models.

This is the absolutely crippling blunder of a deal that should shake your faith in the regime:

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For a player that's potentially in a downward trend in his career, I'm not sure a 3 year weighted average that goes back to a Stanley Cup Finals team is very meaningful....besides the fact that those cards are pretty much meaningless in general.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Dumping guys at lower value to alleviate your cap is how you end up with Tervanien to sign Bickell trades or Marleau cap dump netting Carolina Seth Jarvis, dumb teams do it. I don't want the Devils to be a dumb team lmao

 

[Killing Joke]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805318492721496152

 

[Rhodes 81]

It does usually at least mean they intend on him starting with the big club

Could also be used as an incentive to keep a guy in the org that may think they could get more ice time elsewhere. It's less risk for the player

 

[RSeen]

Pesce isn't THAT much of an upgrade when you factor in contract compared to Marino. Now if we're trading Marino for a left handed version of himself, maybe.

I am not a fan of this. Signing a guy who will be 30 shortly after the season starts, and will likely get around a 6 year term vs. a 27 year old with 3 years left at a lower cap hit (probably significantly lower as well) and there not being a massive difference in quality is absurd.

 

[JimEIV]

I would be shocked if Marino was moved. I don't believe it.

 

[HoliksGhost]

I’m not convinced Marino gets traded and I like the fact the Pesce is 6’3”

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

Just invite me over when the Zuppa is ready. And don’t skimp on the bread.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Palat’s NMC ends up becoming a modified one next year with a 10 team no trade list, so he becomes more moveable after this season if you really feel it’s necessary.

I’m not in that camp. Yes, I’d like him to put up more points but he brings a lot of what our lineup is currently missing and he isn’t preventing us from making any moves right now. He’ll forever have good will from me for his Game 7 work last year. f*** the Rags forever.

 

[Forge]

Was listening to DFO rundown and Seravalli indicated that he thinks McGroarty just wants to go back to school for his junior year, regardless .

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I’m not convinced Marino gets traded and I like the fact the Pesce is 6’3”

Does it matter if a guy is 6'3" and plays a pillow game? Pesce is a good player, but I don't think his size comes into play. Guy got tripled in hits by Jesper Bratt.

The whole thing just seems weird to me. You're selling low on Marino just to buy low on Pesce for more money at a more advanced age? Doesn't sound like a Fitz move to me, but we'll see.

I'll put it this way, if he signs Pesce and *doesn't* move Marino for an upgrade at forward, I'll be pretty underwhelmed.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Marino can't play the left side. I read Pesce played the left side?

 

[Triumph]

Beyond everything that's being said, I'm not a huge fan of picking up players that Carolina is giving up on, even if they have plenty of reasons to do so. They don't make many mistakes.

 

[JimEIV]

On Palat...

In a league that's is scoring over 3 goals a game per team...you shouldn't have a player in your top 9 that goes more than a quarter of the season with 1 goal. 1 goal in a 25 game stretch is atrocious. It can't be understated how horrible that is for 6M player.

That's beyond just a minor problem.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Just invite me over when the Zuppa is ready. And don’t skimp on the bread.

I don’t know what this means but you’ve never steered me wrong before and thus I approve.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

For a player that's potentially in a downward trend in his career, I'm not sure a 3 year weighted average that goes back to a Stanley Cup Finals team is very meaningful....besides the fact that those cards are pretty much meaningless in general.

His underlying numbers were pretty great across the board last season. Not worse than in Tampa. Just need more goals and health. Not counting on that, but he’s still quite useful and a guy I want on the team when the playoffs start.

 

[Hisch13r]

Who would we dump? Pretty much anyone we could dump would have to be replaced. Palat is the only one and wouldn’t be a cheap dump.

And that’s only something you really do if you have something lined up.

And he literally has a NMC… Even next year when he has a M-NTC it’s a 10 team trade list which could easily leave us with no team that’d actually want him. It’s awful and has always been awful.

Palat’s NMC ends up becoming a modified one next year with a 10 team no trade list, so he becomes more moveable after this season if you really feel it’s necessary.

I’m not in that camp. Yes, I’d like him to put up more points but he brings a lot of what our lineup is currently missing and he isn’t preventing us from making any moves right now. He’ll forever have good will from me for his Game 7 work last year. f*** the Rags forever.

It’s not a 10 team no trade. It’s a 10 team trade.

 

[JimEIV]

And what makes Palat's dry spell so much worse was it was in right in the heart of the stretch run for a playoff spot...1 goal from the beginning of February to the first week of April

 

[Hisch13r]

And what makes Palat's dry spell so much worse was in right in the heart of the stretch run for a playoff spot...1 goal from the beginning of February to the first week of April

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Can always count on him when the going gets tough though!

 

[Better Call Sal]

On Palat...

In a league that's is scoring over 3 goals a game per team...you shouldn't have a player in your top 9 that goes more than a quarter of the season with 1 goal. 1 goal in a 25 game stretch is atrocious. It can't be understated how horrible that is for 6M player.

That's beyond just a minor problem.

What about 3 goals in 26? Is that okay?

Because that’s what Dawson Mercer did this year from January to March. He had only 6 points while Palat had 10 in this down stretches. Should Mercer be in the top 9? Or is it ok because he doesn’t make his big contract yet?

I’m not defending Palat’s production, but you can probably pick many players on the team this year who had a prolonged stretch of poor performance. Mercer had just 2 more points than Palat in 11 more games. They both could stand to have better production this year. And that’s why cherry picking samples from what was largely a terrible season last year does no one any good.

It’s not a 10 team no trade. It’s a 10 team trade.

My mistake, I misread it on Cap Friendly.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

hey guys did u kno Palllat makes a lot of munney