Roster Building (& Training Camp) XXIII: Re-signings, Re-considerations, Recriminations

[AD Skinner]

I mean guys like wyshynski can’t simultaneously say stuff like the canes are cheap and don’t bring in/pay for talent and also that Brind’Amour isn’t a high level coach. If both of those things were true the canes wouldn’t be one of the winningest teams in the league over the last few years

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Wysh works for espn and not reputable hockey source for a reason

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

So like… no cuts yet.

We looking at this on the 11th?

Roslovic - Aho - Jarvis
Svech - KK - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Carrier
Robinson - Drury - Blake
Jost, Lemieux

Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Ghost - Walker

Kochetkov
Andersen

 

[chaz4hockey]

So like… no cuts yet.

We looking at this on the 11th?

Roslovic - Aho - Jarvis
Svech - KK - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Carrier
Robinson - Drury - Blake
Jost, Lemieux

Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Ghost - Walker

Kochetkov
Andersen

How many players do you think they will start the season with?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So like… no cuts yet.

We looking at this on the 11th?

Roslovic - Aho - Jarvis
Svech - KK - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Carrier
Robinson - Drury - Blake
Jost, Lemieux

Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Ghost - Walker

Kochetkov
Andersen

Prolly tomorrow

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

So like… no cuts yet.

We looking at this on the 11th?

Roslovic - Aho - Jarvis
Svech - KK - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Carrier
Robinson - Drury - Blake
Jost, Lemieux

Slavin - Burns
Orlov - Chatfield
Ghost - Walker

Kochetkov
Andersen

Pretty sure that the fourth line will be Lemieux/Jost-Drury-Robinson and Blake will be optioned to the AHL. Every other aspect of the lineup looks correct.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Jost is likely cut. He has been uninspiring. Jo Slavin likely the 14th forward

 

[Lempo]

Jost is likely cut. He has been uninspiring. Jo Slavin likely the 14th forward

Ja Slavin sounds very reggae.

 

[bleedgreen]

I’m not convinced Blake has made it. They’ve given him a shot to show what he can do, and rewarding him for doing his impression of Rod the bod in the 80’s. Which was impressive and undoubtedly earned the coaches respect. They have more vet guys that are good for the bottom six, the supposed open spot was a top six spot. It wouldn’t shock me if they kept him for a bottom six role but I still think it’s likely he’s playing top minutes in Chicago pretty quickly.

He’s had a good camp but I don’t know that he blew the doors off enough to steal a spot from a vet. Interesting to watch. Suzuki didn’t run with it at all, but it didn’t really seem like he was a featured player coming in vs the big new shiny toys. He’s going to have to surprise people from Chicago.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Based on jost really not doing much and Lemieux is a 13f type of guy, we’ll see a youngster get a shot for a few games and then go back to playing top minutes in Chicago.

We will need to prepare them for the inevitable Carrier playing 50-60 games. Roslovic likely slides down leaving an opening in the top 6.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I’m not convinced Blake has made it. They’ve given him a shot to show what he can do, and rewarding him for doing his impression of Rod the bod in the 80’s. Which was impressive and undoubtedly earned the coaches respect. They have more vet guys that are good for the bottom six, the supposed open spot was a top six spot. It wouldn’t shock me if they kept him for a bottom six role but I still think it’s likely he’s playing top minutes in Chicago pretty quickly.

He’s had a good camp but I don’t know that he blew the doors off enough to steal a spot from a vet. Interesting to watch. Suzuki didn’t run with it at all, but it didn’t really seem like he was a featured player coming in vs the big new shiny toys. He’s going to have to surprise people from Chicago.

Suzuki will most likely need to get regular nhl reps with another team.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

My prediction is that the top-6 issue will eventually be solved this season...at the trade deadline with banked cap space. Who's the guy that they'll get? Who knows!

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If we go bare bones the whole season we could end up with 6.4 million with Fast’s LTIR space too.

Seeing how that’s unlikely, we will have at least 21 on the roster with a call up for long road trip and injury(ies), we are likely looking at around 2 million (or less depending on the lentgth of injuries) at the deadline with Fast’s LTIR space too.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I’m not convinced Blake has made it. They’ve given him a shot to show what he can do, and rewarding him for doing his impression of Rod the bod in the 80’s. Which was impressive and undoubtedly earned the coaches respect. They have more vet guys that are good for the bottom six, the supposed open spot was a top six spot. It wouldn’t shock me if they kept him for a bottom six role but I still think it’s likely he’s playing top minutes in Chicago pretty quickly.

He’s had a good camp but I don’t know that he blew the doors off enough to steal a spot from a vet. Interesting to watch. Suzuki didn’t run with it at all, but it didn’t really seem like he was a featured player coming in vs the big new shiny toys. He’s going to have to surprise people from Chicago.

Could be, but I think the roster needs one of the kids or another skill forward some other way in order to succeed.

We’ve got Martinook - Staal - Carrier locked in, which is just Martinook - Staal - Fast by another name. Great. The top 6 is essentially the same top 6 we came into last year with (swap Roslovic for TT). What we’re missing is that “skilled” (quotes doing heavy work there) 4th line that can chip in offensively instead of just eat minutes. Drury-Blake could be the start of a line like that. Robinson - Drury - Jost/Lemieux on the other hand…

Once you’ve established that, then you get creative with moving folks around. Blake (or insert another kid) looks good? Play him in the top 6 for a change of pace, send Roslovic or KK down, etc. Noesen was perfect in that 4th line role last year for that exact reason - could pitch in offensively from the 4th line or not look out of place for a spell in the top 6.

But without that one last “skilled” forward, we’re lacking punch from the 4th line IMO. And we don’t have a good enough top 6 to be able to call the 4th line an afterthought.

 

[Stickpucker]

Seriously. Rod has his faults. No one is perfect, after all. But his approach has us in the playoffs every year, often with a serious chance at winning. We have the 3rd best record in the NHL for the last 5 years. We're one of the top teams in playoff wins over that period too. And we have a true identity and a leader who actually gives a shit about this team specifically, not just about their own career. The power of that can't be overstated.

And then there's this: Name someone available who's better. You have to compare to the alternatives, not to theoretical perfection.

We have a damn good thing going right now, and Rod is at the center of it. I don't agree with everything he does, but at this point, as long has he wants to coach, I want him to be coach.

We're the 2010s sharks and I'm cook with that.

Aho = Jumbo?
Svech = Marleau?
Koochie = Nabokov?
Slavin = best dfd of all time guy?

Florida plays a very similar system. They Rod Style'd their way to the cup.

More like Rod is baby Maurice.

 

[Stickpucker]

Could be, but I think the roster needs one of the kids or another skill forward some other way in order to succeed.

We’ve got Martinook - Staal - Carrier locked in, which is just Martinook - Staal - Fast by another name. Great. The top 6 is essentially the same top 6 we came into last year with (swap Roslovic for TT). What we’re missing is that “skilled” (quotes doing heavy work there) 4th line that can chip in offensively instead of just eat minutes. Drury-Blake could be the start of a line like that. Robinson - Drury - Jost/Lemieux on the other hand…

Once you’ve established that, then you get creative with moving folks around. Blake (or insert another kid) looks good? Play him in the top 6 for a change of pace, send Roslovic or KK down, etc. Noesen was perfect in that 4th line role last year for that exact reason - could pitch in offensively from the 4th line or not look out of place for a spell in the top 6.

But without that one last “skilled” forward, we’re lacking punch from the 4th line IMO. And we don’t have a good enough top 6 to be able to call the 4th line an afterthought.

Wouldn't be too surprised to see Necas, Jarvis, Svech, or even Kokomiami find another gear.

3 of those names didn't perform as well as expected last season so it's not a bad bet to expect a little more from at least one or two of them.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Wouldn't be too surprised to see Necas, Jarvis, Svech, or even Kokomiami find another gear.

3 of those names didn't perform as well as expected last season so it's not a bad bet to expect a little more from at least one or two of them.

Conversely, a guy like Jarvis could put up 25-35-60 with similar defensive impacts and never really take a step again.

I think it’ll all even out.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Wheeler with a favorable note on Artamonov:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5812366/2024/10/04/nhl-top-prospects-2024-25-season/?campaign=11281392&source=targeted_email&userId=9706046

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If we go bare bones the whole season we could end up with 6.4 million with Fast’s LTIR space too.

Seeing how that’s unlikely, we will have at least 21 on the roster with a call up for long road trip and injury(ies), we are likely looking at around 2 million (or less depending on the lentgth of injuries) at the deadline with Fast’s LTIR space too.

Roslovic is only signed for this year, so a potential trade for a top-6er could also include his cap hit for salary balancing purposes if they need it.