Post-Game Talk: Devil VII

[kinger8998]

Trocheck is here until 25-26.
Trouba is here until 2024.
Kreider should be the last NMC you're concerned about expiring because he's our leader and wa sour only producer these playoffs.
I'm not worried about Mika.

Trouba I think will go when his NMC expires. I think Kreider rightfully gets the C when he goes, and Schneider steps up to take his minutes.

Panarin unfortunately may never leave, when realistically he should be gone this summer.
If we rid ourselves miraculously of Panarin this summer (if at all possible, we should), even better.
We are essentially handcuffed this offseason. Trouba gives us opportunity next offseason.
Maybe he is gone before 24-25, freeing up some cap space for changes.

Panarin has been a very productive player for this team and has led them in scoring every year he has been here. The problem is when it really counted the last 2 years he has not been good. I think teams would be interested but he does have a NMC so it will be an interesting off season since Drury was not happy with his playoff performance last year and this year was even worse. I personally don't think he's on the team next year.

My 2 favorite sayings in hockey:

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
You'd rather more 16 win players, than 82 game players.

Yes, you need 82 game players to get to the 16 wins, but most of the time, the teams that win have top gusy of the 16 ilk. Panarin is most certsinly not that.

My hard work saying was the Devils vs Ranegrs to a T. Not like the Devils have a bad team, but the Rangers had experience, goaltending, special teams and "star" names on their side ... Devils just wanted it more and worked harder for it, plain and simple.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yea, that’s fine, don’t really disagree. I understand him going for it. The Kane trade was a joke though, it was just completely not needed. Maybe it will come out and Dolan was the one who wanted it done, and I’ll forgive Drury. It’s also not even the 2-3-4 we gave up for him, it just felt so unnecessary once you do the Tarasenko trade.

They made the PP worse doing the Kane trade as well.

I’ll say again, I have no idea what the solutions are here this summer, but I’m excited/terrified to see what they do.

I read somewhere that Dolan indeed pushed for the Kane trade. I forgot where though but who knows if that is true. Kane wasn't bad either. 6 points in 7 games. Was it unnecessary? Possibly, but the real reason they lost is because they went 1 for 20 on the PP the last 5 games and Panarin and Mika were garbage.

 

[kinger8998]

I read somewhere that Dolan indeed pushed for the Kane trade. I forgot where though but who knows if that is true. Kane wasn't bad either. 6 points in 7 games. Was it unnecessary? Possibly, but the real reason they lost is because they went 1 for 20 on the PP the last 5 games and Panarin and Mika were garbage.

This.

Our deadline additions up front were actually in the trio of forwards I would exclude from blame. Kreider, Tarasenko and Kane.

100% on Panarin, and 1 goal from Mika not nearly enough but atleast he kills penaltys and plays defense.

 

[zlev]

Trouba I think will go when his NMC expires. I think Kreider rightfully gets the C when he goes, and Schneider steps up to take his minutes.

ugh. so we have trouba forever then

 

[NMacrules]

Why not? American kid. Players dont exactly love toronto. He wants to get state side. NY is one of his preferred destinations i have it on good record

hhaha, they absolutely do love Toronto. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I'd even move Mika.

I wish.

 

[EdJovanovski]

This.

Our deadline additions up front were actually in the trio of forwards I would exclude from blame. Kreider, Tarasenko and Kane.

100% on Panarin, and 1 goal from Mika not nearly enough but atleast he kills penaltys and plays defense.

Yea Kreider was quite the steal at the deadline

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Trocheck is here until 25-26.
Trouba is here until 2024.
Kreider should be the last NMC you're concerned about expiring because he's our leader and wa sour only producer these playoffs.
I'm not worried about Mika.

Trouba I think will go when his NMC expires. I think Kreider rightfully gets the C when he goes, and Schneider steps up to take his minutes.

Panarin unfortunately may never leave, when realistically he should be gone this summer.

We are essentially handcuffed this offseason. Trouba gives us opportunity next offseason.

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Laf
Othmann-Trocheck-XXX
Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey
Brod/Lesch

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Trouba

PP1: Mika, Kreider, Fox, Trocheck, Panarin
PP2: Kakko, Chytil, Lafreniere, Othmann, Jones

PK F's: Mika/Kreider, Trocheck/Kakko, Goodrow/Vesey
PK D's: Lindgren/Fox/Trouba/Miller/Schneider (No Jones)

Maybe Trouba is gone year after, freeing up some cap space for changes. If we rid ourselves miraculously of Panarin this summer (if at all possible, we should), even better.


My 2 favorite sayings in hockey:

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
You'd rather more 16 win players, than 82 game players.

Yes, you need 82 game players to get to the 16 wins, but most of the time, the teams that win have top gusy of the 16 ilk. Panarin is most certsinly not that.

My hard work saying was the Devils vs Ranegrs to a T. Not like the Devils have a bad team, but the Rangers had experience, goaltending, special teams and "star" names on their side ... Devils just wanted it more and worked harder for it, plain and simple.

The Devils are a very good team. They had a 112 point season. Lets give credit where credit is due. Devils did work harder but they were also better and faster as well. They made adjustments that the Rangers could not match especially on the PK. The Rangers scored 4 PP goals in the first 2 games and then proceeded to go 1 for 20. I thought Gallant was schooled this series. The Rangers were not winning this series if they couldn't score on the PP and that is exactly what happened.

 

[kinger8998]

Yea Kreider was quite the steal at the deadline

Okay, I think you know what I meant, I would loop our deadline additions, kane and Tarasenko, in with Kreider as the only 3 forwards who should be exempt from the offense game blame

 

[RangersFan1994]

Could we loan Laf to the NCAA? See if he can build up his confidence dominating there, though I’m not convinced he’d even dominate there. And he can get a degree for his backup plan if professional hockey doesn’t pan out.

Next year in practice Rangers teammates against him should trash talk calling him bust, maybe that will get Laf to have a good year

 

[hacksaw7]

The Finals that almost happened in 1988 (Devils/Oilers) is my gut feeling. NJ has a very real chance to win it all this year with Boston gone (who prob would've beaten them. NJ did not match up well with Boston) Hurricanes are banged up, wont be a cakewalk for NJ but they likely win. Florida or Toronto...neither are easy but NJ is better than both. Schmid sort of came out of nowhere. Him coming back to earth would prob derail them. Vanecek is a bad playoff goalie

 

[PuckLuck3043]

ugh. so we have trouba forever then

He can be traded after next year when his NMC becomes a limited NTC.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

hhaha, they absolutely do love Toronto. You don't know what you are talking about.

What's a Laugh fan doing here?

 

[NMacrules]

What's a Laugh fan doing here?

Im Colorado, Leafs second.

Ala....Nathan Mackinnon rules.

 

[TheTakedown]

The Devils are a very good team. They had a 112 point season. Lets give credit where credit is due. Devils did work harder but they were also better and faster as well. They made adjustments that the Rangers could not match especially on the PK. The Rangers scored 4 PP goals in the first 2 games and then proceeded to go 1 for 20. I thought Gallant was schooled this series. The Rangers were not winning this series if they couldn't score on the PP and that is exactly what happened.

Yup, again... Gallant is the problem here. No adjustment, no tactical skill, no f***ing balls to do anything... I don't know how many times I can say it -- 23 players don't go from world beaters to complete losers in 20 games

 

[kinger8998]

Let's send Panarin down to Sunny Florida, retain a random $1,642,857 to bring the contract down to a flat $10 million, and take on the final season of Anthony Duclairs contract, with RFA rights to Grigroi Denisenko and Calgary's 4th round pick in 2025.

Panarin and Bob will expire same season and once again get chance to make Free Agency their frenzy with rumors of a package deal. Florida gets big money offensive contributor.

We net $7 million in cap space, while Florida is still cap compliant, and gets an upgrade at forward.

Kreider-Mika-Less than $5M forward with cap space
Laf-Chytil-Kakko
Othmann-Trocheck-Ducliar
Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey

$5M maybe Tarasenko sticking around? Could it be Kane staying on a cheaper deal, like "hometown discount" to remain in NY around $1M? Free Agent?

Ahhhhh one could dream.

 

[TheTakedown]

The Finals that almost happened in 1988 (Devils/Oilers) is my gut feeling. NJ has a very real chance to win it all this year with Boston gone (who prob would've beaten them. NJ did not match up well with Boston) Hurricanes are banged up, wont be a cakewalk for NJ but they likely win. Florida or Toronto...neither are easy but NJ is better than both. Schmid sort of came out of nowhere. Him coming back to earth would prob derail them. Vanecek is a bad playoff goalie

No, this devils team isn't that good. This ranger team is just that bad. You don't think Florida or Toronto can light these f***ers up? The rangers hardly tested Schmid. When he plays against a real offense you'll see just how much of a rookie he is

 

[and 99 others]

Kreider-Mika-$5M forward with cap space
Laf-Chytil-Kakko
Othmann-Trocheck-Ducliar
Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey

Ahhhhh one could dream.

That team finishes 5th in the metro and then the true teardown begins. You're all delusional

 

[DanielBrassard]

Look, I would build around Vesey. Or I would dangle him.

Wow that's a risk not a lot of people would take, you have guts kid. Dangling Jimmy Vesey hasn't gone well for anybody.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The Finals that almost happened in 1988 (Devils/Oilers) is my gut feeling. NJ has a very real chance to win it all this year with Boston gone (who prob would've beaten them. NJ did not match up well with Boston) Hurricanes are banged up, wont be a cakewalk for NJ but they likely win. Florida or Toronto...neither are easy but NJ is better than both. Schmid sort of came out of nowhere. Him coming back to earth would prob derail them. Vanecek is a bad playoff goalie

I doubt it. Rangers took their pound of flesh and could have beaten them despite some shit performances from 2 of their top players. It's also very rare that a team that didn't make the playoffs last year to go all the way. They may get by a depleted Carolina team but If I had to guess I say it's a Toronto/Edmonton finals.

 

[RangersFan1994]

This proves Rangers cared more about their future vacations over their fight to win the Stanley Cup. The players showed the fans that tonight.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Yup...it's crazy how many people would rather blame Lafreniere, the forward still on his ELC, and Kakko, who get little PP time and had 75% of our Ozone possesion this series, over the 11.6 Casper the ghost impersonator Panarin and the rest of our top 6.

Players like Hughes progress so quickly because they get the immediate ice time and are thrown to the wolves as the go to guys on shitty teams. Laf and Kakko didn't have that luxury, they will take longer to get there, but they will slowly make progress.

This loss lays solely at the feet of our Fat Cats, who didn't come to eat.

Agree

 

[hacksaw7]

No, this devils team isn't that good. This ranger team is just that bad. You don't think Florida or Toronto can light these f***ers up? The rangers hardly tested Schmid. When he plays against a real offense you'll see just how much of a rookie he is

They had 112 pts. They are very good and had the 2nd best road record in hockey. Toronto absolutely can beat them. Florida who knows they're very much a wild card. Theyre lucking out getting Carolina in a beat up state. Devils ended up way ahead of schedule this year and things are breaking right for them

However they wont be able to overcome such undisciplined play for very long.

They kind of remind me of the 2005-2006 Hurricanes. Also looked dead in the water and came an eyelash away from being down 3-0 and done in round one. They have had some bigtime luck

 

[zlev]

He can be traded after next year when his NMC becomes a limited NTC.

woosh

 

[Rangers in 7]

Said it before and ill say it again. You remove kane, chytil and laff from this roster and add guys like sean avery, dubinsky and ryan callahan in their hay days and this team would go places. We had no one willing to go to the dirty areas and get some greasy ones. Clear lines of vision of schmid all series

Ahh yes but the 11.6 million dollar panarin with his whooping 2 points is fine…..

Stupid

I can respect this take.

I think it's better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late. If you can get a high pick for Lafreniere that has a great shot to be more than a 3rd liner, I still think that's a deal I make every day and twice Sunday.

I still think laf is huberdeau 2.0

Whether that will be good enough for people is another question