Post-Game Talk: Devil VII

[hacksaw7]

Ahh yes but the 11.6 million dollar panarin with his whooping 2 points is fine…..

Stupid


I still think laf is huberdeau 2.0

Whether that will be good enough for people is another question

Huberdeau is a very weird player (havent really followed his Calgary saga but that was a really dissapointing season) but at about this point Lafreniere would need to make that jump to being a 50+ pt guy. If he eventually starts putting up Huberdeau in Florida point totals then yes it will be good enough

 

[Clark Kellogg]

MSG Post Game Show:

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Really difficult to be optimistic about the future of this organization.

The older guys have been the engine that runs the team for 3 years and they’re getting older. The young guys are almost all busts.

We literally had a 3 month window. You can’t make that up.

Only the Rangers

 

[TheTakedown]

One of the kids have to be traded. You can't keep all 3

One of the main core pieces have to be traded, you can't keep all 3

One of the dmen have to be traded, you can't keep all 3

That should be enough turnover to wake the team up

Also get s coach who doesn't have his f***ing head so far up his ass that he can't see what's happening right to him. f***ing bum ass loser

 

[Zynbanejad]

One of the kids have to be traded. You can't keep all 3

One of the main core pieces have to be traded, you can't keep all 3

One of the dmen have to be traded, you can't keep all 3

That should be enough turnover to wake the team up

Also get s coach who doesn't have his f***ing head so far up his ass that he can't see what's happening right to him. f***ing bum ass loser

Agree with everything, but the kids take. They’re cost controlled at this point and that’s super valuable. Might as well ride them out IMO

 

[mike14]

My last take on ice-time for this series.
From a rough count, 46 penalties were handed out across the series that weren't fighting or coincidental. Some over-lapped, and obviously some were scored on, but that feels like a lot compared recent series and I think it affected both teams in trying to get into a groove with shifts. So maybe that explains some of this:

- 3 defencemen played more 5v5 than Fox (Miller, Trouba, Lindgren), with Miller getting 25 mins more
- Trocheck was 2nd among forwards in 5v5 icetime and only 35 seconds behind Panarin. He was 5 mins ahead of the next highest forward (Kane)
- Mika was 6th among forwards and played only 13 seconds more than Laf
- Tarasenko got the least 5v5 time among non-4th line forwards
- Vesey, who I thought had a pretty good season, played almost 6 mins less than Motte and had the least ice time by far

It looks more normal when you view overall ice-time and I don't know how banged up people were, but it really does look like we were guessing a fair bit of the time 5v5.

Hughes played 15 mins more 5v5 than any of our forwards, Bratt played a few more seconds 5v5 than Fox did...

 

[LeprechauninBlue]

I think the big mistake was to not settle after Vlad and forced in Phatshit Kane in to the squad. Team lost all speed with that guy.... never want to see that ugly face again.

 

[ajdj10]

I'm sorry but this game was all on Igor.

He should've shutout the Devils and scored a goal himself if he really wanted to win so bad.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Can't even watch the handshake line.

Have a good off season guys, next big date, the draft.

 

[Row I Goon]

Can't even watch the handshake line.

Have a good off season guys, next big date, the draft.

I didn’t watch it. Shut it off soon as the buzzer went. Fukk em.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I didn’t watch it. Shut it off soon as the buzzer went. Fukk em.

I mean the fans with eyes and a memory, saw it again, within 10 minutes, we knew pretty much how this game will go. I have 15 years of experience, and that's nothing in comparison to others.

We still have to fundamentally change our game ...

 

[rangersfansince08]

Kakko hit another gear this playoff, theres a positive for the group.

who cares? where were the points? we keep on saying he looks good and the points will come every year and they never come

 

[savebyrichter94]

At this point who cares. Maybe he has a horseshoe up his ass

If we’re gonna be a shit show might as well make it entertaining, I’m all for bringing in any coach who will put the fear of death into these prima donnas and piss in their cheerios daily till they learn to love the taste, not saying Mess is the guy or not but I’m so disgusted I don’t really care

 

[rangersfansince08]

I'm not even really arguing against your point about Panarin. It's that you think it's going to change anything and the fact that you want to promote worse players. Lafreniere had zero points in that series.

The only good reason to give the shit-filled diapers a bigger role is if we're just rebuilding again. They'll help the tank tremendously.

that and it'll shut up the idiots who think they will turn into huberdeau and rantanen with more ice time.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Yes.

You can disagree with me and maybe I'm wrong, but the bolded is my angle.

They f***ed these kids up and I wanna go no further with these kids or any other kids as long as the same people are in charge.

Whiffing on multiple top ten picks is a fireable offense for anybody that so much as said hello to these kids in the hallway. Frankly, I don't think we're mad enough about it and the team has won enough games here and there to placate the fanbase.

That was the chance to set ourselves up for years and we blew it. Enough with the excuses and enough with the cope. They stink compared to what they were supposed to be and compared to what most teams get out of picks like that. It doesn't happen multiple times by accident. The Rangers did something wrong and I don't want the same people continuing to do it.

If you put that on Gorton and believe Drury is bringing in changes, or that it's going to get better eventually, you're entitled to that opinion, but I've seen enough. f***ing up those two picks was eating the apple in the Garden of Eden and everyone who worked in this organization during their development thus far should be gone. I don't trust these people to do anything.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

If/when devils beat canes Brindamour will be let go. That would be awesome. Need someone with a spine to stand behind the bench.

 

[savebyrichter94]

If we're going to play the "let's be realistic and try to make the best of it" game, I would be very interested in firing this guy (and anybody else responsible for skills development) and going from there.

Like, Jesus Christ, every player we have gets worse at everything. They see it, right?

They can’t pass, can’t receive a pass, can’t hit the net, can’t win faceoffs and on and on and on down the line of basic hockey fundamentals

Skills coach? Lmao

And also why can’t our big money players take a page out of Crosby’s book and dedicate to working on specific skills till they’re up to snuff?

It’s ridiculous that none of our centers can seem to give a f*** about getting better at something like winning draws, you can argue if they matter or not in the grand scheme but it’s a basic requirement of that position, we shouldn’t need wingers to take draws for our centers

For me, little things like that speak to the complacency level and how content they all seem to be

Who holds these guys feet to the fire? Where are the consequences?

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

If/when devils beat canes Brindamour will be let go. That would be awesome. Need someone with a spine to stand behind the bench.

Rod would embarrass these guys in practice daily lol

On a real note-- some of GGs comments reflected how I feel about the team. I don't know shit about f***, so maybe he did see the same issues we did.

 

[DaBadGuy7]

I said it in the Roster Building thread and I’ll say it here, it really doesn’t matter if the Rangers trade Panarin, fire Gallant and/or Drury, organization has no clue how to build a Cup contending team in modern. As long as Dolan thinks Sather is God, nothing will change how this franchise thinks or operates in terms of scouting, player development, analytics, coaching etc. The only hope is Dolan selling and new owner cleaning house and that’s not happening either.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

And also why can’t our big money players take a page out of Crosby’s book and dedicate to working on specific skills till their up to snuff?

And where will they find the time for DJing, doing fashion shots...what does Laf do?

 

[Holocene]

If/when devils beat canes Brindamour will be let go. That would be awesome. Need someone with a spine to stand behind the bench.

brindamour isn’t getting fired this year, his team didn’t flame out in the first round and they’re missing like half their top 6

 

[Crease]

You can’t coach speed. That’s Drury’s problem.

You can coach how to counteract speed but they didn’t do that either. That’s Gallant’s problem.

 

[mas0764]

In addition here is my list:

SHOULDN'T trade:
Lindgren
Laf
Kakko

SHOULD trade, but likely won't be able to:
Panarin (NMC)
Trocheck (he's a fine 3C, but overpaid for that role, NMC)

COULD/SHOULD trade but likely won't:
Goodrow (Drury signed him as his first contract, doubt he dumps him before exhausting all Panarin/bridging young players options)

NOT being traded:
Shesterkin
Fox
Mika
Kreider
Trouba
Chytil
Miller
Schneider
Vesey

It's hard to see how this roster changes much aside from a coacing/style change, which I don't even think is the main problem, just the easiest thing to change with NMC status.

Panarin is the change that should happen, would significantly open cap space to make additions and "fix" other problems.

It’s hard to see how the roster changes because you’ve walled everyone off.

Trouba and Kreider should both be on the block. Panarin probably would be too but he just makes too much with too much term.

Trouba and Kreider both have expiring NMCs coming up. They can be pressured into waiving now so they can pick their situation.

It was a terrible decision to make Trouba captain…. Because he needs to go now. He’s too overpaid, too slow, too poor at defending, and hitting just isn’t important. You can’t hit what you can’t catch.

 

[mas0764]

Really difficult to be optimistic about the future of this organization.

The older guys have been the engine that runs the team for 3 years and they’re getting older. The young guys are almost all busts.

We literally had a 3 month window. You can’t make that up.

Only the Rangers

We didn’t commit to the rebuild as some of us have been trumpeting for a while. Way more aging assets should have been moved long ago, we should have had more lottery shots as well.

Here’s our future: we either try to salvage this situation, which will fail and waste the primes of Shesterkin and Fox, et al, or we start dumping vets, accept that we aren’t good enough to win a Cup as constructed, and stop trying to walk down the middle of the road and fully commit to a REAL REBUILD that doesn’t end until we have a Jack Hughes and Tim Stutzle. And if that takes another five years, oh fricking well.

And winning the lottery isn’t good enough, you have to actually see that the kid you drafted is good enough before you start trying to improve the rest of the team.

And to that end they have to clean house and go get training staff from a team that has a proven track record of turning high picks into offensive dynamos. Probably means we should shitcan Drury too because we need a GM who understands that skill and scoring wins, not a GM who spent half his career as a hustle and try hard grinding middle sixer.

 

[chosen]

Better team won. Nothing else can be said about this series. An organization that understands the assignment versus an organization that doesn't.

Like, they tried. I really do believe that. They had no business going 7. This is just how bad they are.

You look at the failure of all the high picks. The way they play overall just isn't right. Panarin was not this bad until he got here. People say "oh we develop defense tho." Do we? I see a talented kid in Miller and a high pick in Schneider both becoming clueless board-chippers. Even Trouba used to have a decent first pass.

There's a massive stank in this organization, particularly in regard to skill and speed.

We've changed coaches. We've gone through a few cores now where the talent either just isn't there or it's there on paper but they play weird.

The smell is coming from upstairs.

Since Sather joined the organization 23 years ago, this team has been legitimately good at playing real (mostly 5v5) hockey three times - 2008, 2014, and 2015. The other 20 years have ranged from bad to "this literally isn't hockey."

They even tried to do a rebuild and it led them to the same type of team because the same people ran it.

The legitimately good players feel like accidents. They don't value skilled, fast players or develop those skills within their players. The ones that they acquire see huge portions of their game fall apart. The organization's understanding of NHL offense is broken. No move or set of moves will move the needle until the culture changes.

The Devils sucked for a long time and they changed things. We haven't meaningfully changed things in a long time.

NOTE: Please remember that the list of Machinehead is active in the summer.

Glad to see you've embraced that coaches matter little.

They didn't screw up on Lafrenniere. Every team in the league would have selected him first. So far, it seems like in a league built on speed he can't excel.

Similarly, they made the absolute right choice in Kakko at number 2, based on evidence available at the time. I still think he will have a very good NHL career.

The team was incredibly lucky to get those 2 picks and incredibly unlucky to get those picks in the wrong years.

Chytil is the most baffling player on the team. His game looks so different from one group of games to anither.

Miller is the 2nd most baffling player on the team. He looks his best when he's aggressive offensively, but his defensive game also goes through wild swings.

I disagree with you about Schneider's future.

I don't think we'll have a full handle on where the Rangers are until we see how the Devils do the rest of the playoffs.

If they lose to Carolina, the Rangers situation is bleak. If the Devils win the Cup, it's not bleak at all.

The only certain thing is that this team needs forechecking speed added ASAP.