Post-Game Talk: Devil VII

[rangersfansince08]

What’s going to turn Panarin into Tkachuk? Because that’s the real comparison you should be making

Panarin is a gutless loser. Doesn't play with the half the heart and effort the Tkachuks do

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin is a gutless loser. Doesn't play with the half the heart and effort the Tkachuks do

We agree on that one

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

I'm not absolving our paid players, and I think the main objective this off-season will be to try to move Panarin.

You could make an argument for KK, but what did Laf and Chytil show in this series, or the games proceeding this series that made you actually go "if only they had more minutes."

Chytil was invisible, Laf was brain dead with the puck. Last season, they were putting up points and were a reliable line. They regressed.

Again I have to ask if they are getting the coaching they need.

As for Chytil, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's injured. And Laffy was one of our better players over the past two games.

 

[rangersfansince08]

We just played that ugly ass series essentially without Panarin if you wanna look at it that way and somehow people are like "that was amazing I'll have 82."

If you have a plan, and he doesn't fit into that plan, that's one thing. If replacing him is the entire plan, you just saw what that will look like.

"Get good players with his money" isn't a plan. There's no such thing as good players as soon as they get here. That's what needs to be fixed.

Dan Girardi taught me a long time ago the difference between symptom and disease.

I bring up the failures of Lafreniere and Kakko but I don't think different young players in the same situation would be any better.

Yea the goal should be to reset in 3 years. Trouba and Panarin are gone. Move Goodrow out a year early. Don't sign Shesterkin to a 10 M dollar deal. Accumulate talent in the meantime, completely change the scouting, training and coaching staffs and hope to luck into a generational talent or two in the lottery. Don't half ass the rebuild.

We agree on that one

Chytil is the only one I'd like to see with more ice time. I think he has some untapped potential and could be a 30-30 guy with the right linemates and coaching. Kakko and Laf on the other hand won't do anything with more ice time.

 

[Machinehead]

We can if they’ve never played them on the power play with any consistency

Lafreniere is literally the second worst powerplay player in the NHL over the course of racking up 267 minutes.

I fully support the notion that the organization is responsible for the lack of development but ice time ain't it.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Lafreniere is literally the second worst powerplay player in the NHL over the course of racking up 267 minutes.

I fully support the notion that the organization is responsible for the lack of development but ice time ain't it.

His skating was suspect to begin with. he was the wrong pick and everyone got it wrong.

 

[Synergy27]

I’m not crowning the Devils the future of the Metro after a 7 game series where we played awful for large stretches. Credit to them for adjusting but we didn’t get beat by their top guys. I bet Carolina thought they’d have to go through us every year after last season

I don’t always agree with @mas0764 , but this is surely the worst Devils team we will see for at least five years. If the Rangers we’re going to win the Cup with this core, this was the year.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

His skating was suspect to begin with. he was the wrong pick and everyone got it wrong.

I can’t beat up the Rangers for taking him. He was the consensus 1OA his draft year.

 

[qwertyaas]

His skating was suspect to begin with. he was the wrong pick and everyone got it wrong.

And why the hell aren't the Rangers bringing in high end trainers for him over the summer instead of his hometown buddies training him.

Top to bottom, their development sucks.

 

[chosen]

we should throw every single resource we have out there to get the best coaches and trainers and scouts but we don't

Souts, fine, but coaches and trainers?

So, that's why Jack Hughes is so good.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

"Get good players with his money" isn't a plan. There's no such thing as good players as soon as they get here. That's what needs to be fixed.

Don’t you know that if they trade Panarin, two/three good players to replace his salary will just fall out of the sky

It’s fool proof!

 

[rangersfansince08]

And why the hell aren't the Rangers bringing in high end trainers for him over the summer instead of his hometown buddies training him.

Top to bottom, their development sucks.

no disagreement here. I don't think either Kakko or Laf will ever be stars but maybe we can salvage it and turn them into decent 50 pt players.

 

[Machinehead]

Tarasenko, I like. Thing is, he's played 38 games as a Ranger including playoffs and has 11 goals and 25 points.

...eh.

That's something I've noticed. The only player since like f***ing Jagr who scores and I have no problem with the way he plays is Chris Kreider.

It's one or the other. This organization can't play offense and hockey at the same time as a team, and individuals become one extreme or the other. That's emblematic, to me, of an organization not understanding NHL offense.

We defended as long as we could with the beating we took and I never wanna hear about grit again after the way we just smacked the Devils around and they didn't care. Offense is the thing we can't do.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I can’t beat up the Rangers for taking him. He was the consensus 1OA his draft year.

Don’t beat the Rangers up for taking him but do beat them up for their shit development

This guy was supposed to be a grade A top line forward pretty much immediately and this is what he’s turned into?

Literally everyone got it wrong or did the Rangers f*** it up? I know which option I’m putting my money on

 

[will1066]

May the inventor of the first no movement clause be stung by 1000 hornets and then discover poop in his soup. It's probably some lawyer.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Don’t beat the Rangers up for taking him but do beat them up for their shit development

This guy was supposed to be a grade A top line forward pretty much immediately and this is what he’s turned into?

Literally everyone got it wrong or did the Rangers f*** it up? I know which option I’m putting my money on

They definitely don’t handle young players well, so I won’t go to bat for the organization.

That being said, has Laf really shown us anything to have faith in him? Both are insanely inconsistent, but Chytil had a break out season, and Kakko has had his struggles but is still a useful player. What has Laf shown us other than 2 nice goals over the last 3 years?

 

[qwertyaas]

Don’t beat the Rangers up for taking him but do beat them up for their shit development

This guy was supposed to be a grade A top line forward pretty much immediately and this is what he’s turned into?

Literally everyone got it wrong or did the Rangers f*** it up? I know which option I’m putting my money on

The problem is, it's too often with the Rangers. They high-ceiling picks turn to shit, and their later rounds become decent NHL players.

Kreider was the outlier here.

Their drafting generally sucks outside of the no-think #2/#1, especially in the first round. Their development sucks even worse.

So we hit the perfect storm with Laf and Kakko it seems.

 

[rangersfansince08]

4 top 10 picks wasted in Lias, Kravstov, Kakko and Laf. What did we get out of the Lundkvist pick too? A lower pick years later?

 

[Good Intentions]

The Kids are 4th liners because that’s what’s been asked of them. Panarin has blocked them from bigger roles because of his refusal to play with them.

No. This is a garbage take.

13 has to go, I don’t care if he puts it together as a decent top six option in 5 years with Calgary.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Play Chytil in the top 6 for one. I could also see miller or lafreniere moved for a speedy top 6 caliber player. I defend the kids but acknowledge moves need to be made and no one is untouchable after an embarrassing 1st round exit.

Chytil should definitely be in the top 6. He was a ghost this series, but his play this year earned it. Do you really think a coach will demote Trocheck for him? He’d have to move to RW, which may not be a bad idea honestly.

I wouldn’t be trading any of these kids. We need cheap depth and they are all on bargain deals. I think we’re going to be running it back with the same or a similar group. I don’t know

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

4 top 10 picks wasted in Lias, Kravstov, Kakko and Laf. What did we get out of the Lundkvist pick too? A lower pick years later?

We got 30ish games of Tarasenko and a first round exit lol

 

[chosen]

Lafreniere is literally the second worst powerplay player in the NHL over the course of racking up 267 minutes.

I fully support the notion that the organization is responsible for the lack of development but ice time ain't it.

You believe Lafreniere would be better if elsewhere?

What is it that development is supposed to accomplish?

It can only have the most minimal impact on speed, if at all.

Hughes, Bratt, McLeod, etc., could all fly right out of the gate, not because of development.

The Rangers have to pay a lot more attention to speed. That is by far their biggest issue.

 

[Machinehead]

You believe Lafreniere would be better if elsewhere?

What is it that development is supposed to accomplish?

It can only have the most minimal impact on speed, if at all.

Hughes, Bratt, McLeod, etc., could all fly right out of the gate, not because of development.

The Rangers have to pay a lot more attention to speed. That is by far their biggest issue.

Lafreniere, I don't know.

I don't disagree with you and his skating is a major issue.

Kakko, yes. His analytics are great. He's doing everything right. He should score. Effective 5v5 players not being able to score is a Rangers thing. The bins of "extreme talent" and "extreme grinder" are a Rangers thing.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

hhaha, they absolutely do love Toronto. You don't know what you are talking about.

Oh yeah? They love getting followed around and noticed every time they go out in public?

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

You believe Lafreniere would be better if elsewhere?

What is it that development is supposed to accomplish?

It can only have the most minimal impact on speed, if at all.

Hughes, Bratt, McLeod, etc., could all fly right out of the gate, not because of development.

The Rangers have to pay a lot more attention to speed. That is by far their biggest issue.

Better skating, quicker decision-making, all kinds of stuff. Figure out what he needs to be a top offensive player & work on it. Does he get that here? My impression the Rangers' concept of "development" is to teach young players they have to hit & be defensively responsible. Which is OK, but not the major piece.