Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[TheNewEra]

Staios can always extend him to a cheap 2 year deal and let Hamonic walk. We're pretty asset depleted but I feel like Matinpalo is more valuable to us as a 7th D that turns into our 6th D next year over a 4th or 3rd we might get for him.

if the thought process is he becomes a 6th d for next year then maybe, since a 3rd can get a middle winger based off the trades thus far. My overall point is that him sitting for the rest of the year will just reduce his value from where ever it is now

but for next year we will also have Yak fighting for that #6 spot who will get the inside track because of draft position, we also have sebrango since he will need waivers next year.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What is Yakemchuk's trade value?

He is one of very few assets we have to get a higher end player.

It would not be ideal to trade him or any 1st round picks , especially since we only have 1 in the next 2 drafts but Matinpalo has given us a pretty decent 3rd pair and Jensen looks like he has at least a couple good years in him beyond his current contract (26) . ZUb is under contract until 27

I would not count on him taking a top 4 spot from Zub or Jensen for at least 2 years .

Its unbelievable how bare Dorion left the cupboards and what we have to show for his choices 2021 on

 

[Senator Stanley]

What is Yakemchuk's trade value?

He is one of very few assets we have to get a higher end player.

It would not be ideal to trade him or any 1st round picks , especially since we only have 1 in the next 2 drafts but Matinpalo has given us a pretty decent 3rd pair and Jensen looks like he has at least a couple good years in him beyond his current contract (26) . ZUb is under contract until 27

I would not count on him taking a top 4 spot from Zub or Jensen for at least 2 years .

Its unbelievable how bare Dorion left the cupboards and what we have to show for his choices 2021 on

My guess is the Sens value him more highly than just about any other front office in the league. That's not the kind of player you tend to see traded, because it would be hard for them to get what they consider fair value in return.

 

[bicboi64]

if the thought process is he becomes a 6th d for next year then maybe, since a 3rd can get a middle winger based off the trades thus far. My overall point is that him sitting for the rest of the year will just reduce his value from where ever it is now

but for next year we will also have Yak fighting for that #6 spot who will get the inside track because of draft position, we also have sebrango since he will need waivers next year.

Absolutely valid point, especially if we can extend whomever we can acquire for a 3rd (a Donato type player)

 

[PlayOn]

What is Yakemchuk's trade value?

He is one of very few assets we have to get a higher end player.

It would not be ideal to trade him or any 1st round picks , especially since we only have 1 in the next 2 drafts but Matinpalo has given us a pretty decent 3rd pair and Jensen looks like he has at least a couple good years in him beyond his current contract (26) . ZUb is under contract until 27

I would not count on him taking a top 4 spot from Zub or Jensen for at least 2 years .

Its unbelievable how bare Dorion left the cupboards and what we have to show for his choices 2021 on

I think it was Green (or maybe Staios idk) who recently said they think he’s gonna be one of the top defencemen in the NHL, so it would probably take a lot to move him and other teams won’t pay the price.

 

[BondraTime]

I think it was Green (or maybe Staios idk) who recently said they think he’s gonna be one of the top defencemen in the NHL, so it would probably take a lot to move him and other teams won’t pay the price.

We said he was an elite skater at the draft, so that kind of proclomation doesn't surprise me whatsoever

Like others said, we very, very likely value him more than 31 other teams. No chance they trade him, and if they did, they'd get nowhere near what they value him

 

[HSF]

So

You want to bet $3.6 more per year in cap hit for more years that he may bounce back?

No thanks. At least Norria fills multiple roles and is a competitive guy who fits in the room well.

He is also ramping up after 2 years of basically no hockey.

norris is also chronically unavaliable and is a shoulder injury away from probably being untradeable

there are risks both ways. Petersson has the obvious skill and is young enough to bounce back in a new situation like Eichel was

 

[DackellDuck]

norris is also chronically unavaliable and is a shoulder injury away from probably being untradeable

there are risks both ways. Petersson has the obvious skill and is young enough to bounce back in a new situation like Eichel was

Eichel was unhappy in Buffalo because the organization was a complete dumpster fire and not serious about winning.

Pettersson is unhappy in Vancouver because Tocchet is too hard on him and he'd rather spend time playing video games than working on his game.

The two really aren't the same.

I wouldn't touch Pettersson. He's not serious about being a top end NHLer. There's no drive there.

 

[OD99]

norris is also chronically unavaliable and is a shoulder injury away from probably being untradeable

there are risks both ways. Petersson has the obvious skill and is young enough to bounce back in a new situation like Eichel was

How long does he have to play with a good shoulder before that part isn't mentioned anymore?

I get that it's fairly recent, but he hasn't shown any troubling signs with it this season. As mentioned, this unfortunate mid-body injury is poor timing as he was heating him.

It would be a massive gamble as Petey's contract would be a huge albatross.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

How long does he have to play with a good shoulder before that part isn't mentioned anymore?

I get that it's fairly recent, but he hasn't shown any troubling signs with it this season. As mentioned, this unfortunate mid-body injury is poor timing as he was heating him.

It would be a massive gamble as Petey's contract would be a huge albatross.

I’d guess it will never go away for some. Even if he was healthy all next year & played well, people would still be saying the same things. I guess the theory is you can never be totally healed after any injury (part hyperbole, & in part a reflection of the way some think).

 

[HoweHullOrr]

norris is also chronically unavaliable and is a shoulder injury away from probably being untradeable

there are risks both ways. Petersson has the obvious skill and is young enough to bounce back in a new situation like Eichel was

Eichel is an ironic choice. He had a serious injury, had an operation, and has recovered and played well for some time now. Are people expecting Eichel to be injured or re-injure at any time? Or does this perpetual concern just apply to Norris?

 

[HSF]

Eichel is an ironic choice. He had a serious injury, had an operation, and has recovered and played well for some time now. Are people expecting Eichel to be injured or re-injure at any time? Or does this perpetual concern just apply to Norris?

Norris has had the same injury on the same should multiple times. It is a huge concern. Hes also just flat out injury prone which has been the case before his nhl time.

Not being avaliable is def an issue

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Norris has had the same injury on the same should multiple times. It is a huge concern. Hes also just flat out injury prone which has been the case before his nhl time.

Not being avaliable is def an issue

Tarasenko had three surgeries on the same shoulder. The last one was in 2021.

Eichel's injury to his cervical disc in the neck that required replacement of the disc is a very serious injury as well & you didn’t really answer the question on whether the huge concern should remain in perpetuity.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Norris has had the same injury on the same should multiple times. It is a huge concern. Hes also just flat out injury prone which has been the case before his nhl time.

Not being avaliable is def an issue

On a more positive side for Norris:
Didn't Tarasenko also have the same injury on the same should multiple times.
He's been fine for a few (3 or 4) years now and he recommended the same doc. to Norris.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Yaks trade value is going to vary wildly team-by-team. There aren't a lot of scenarios where it would make sense to trade him. We burned so many A and B assets under Doron, we have almost nothing in the pipeline.

Whether people realize it or not, we're in our win now window. This reminds me a bit of the 2014-2018 era, where we didn't have the makings of a contender but for reasons outside our control we had to try and make something of what we had an win with Karlsson. Those reasons were Melnyk's unwillingness to pay franchise players and his ownership style being off-putting to those same players.

Unless this season ends badly, and it prompts a Brady trade this summer, we have 4 more possible playoff runs with Brady. How Yak fits in that window is that we need him to contribute in a very important role while on his ELC. We have no other top-end talent that fits that window. Of course we could trade Yak for a finished product, but that would likely come with a 5M+ cap hit. Yak will cost us 1M-2M per depending on his performance bonuses.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I wouldn't trade Yakemchuk. I'd move another 1st before moving him. I also don't think we need to necessarily swing for the fences with a big name player. That's how Dorion ran things, and look how that turned out.

Fit is more important. You already have two guys you can build a top 6 line around with Stutzle and Tkachuk. Staios should be looking at players that compliment them and think the game the same. Look at Jensen. Not a big name, but a perfect compliment to Chabot that is not only a really solid player in his own right, but has completely elevated Chabot's game to a new level. You find Stutzle his Jensen and you're going to see Stutzle go from an 80 point guy to an 100 point guy.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I wouldn't trade Yakemchuk. I'd move another 1st before moving him. I also don't think we need to necessarily swing for the fences with a big name player. That's how Dorion ran things, and look how that turned out.

Fit is more important. You already have two guys you can build a top 6 line around with Stutzle and Tkachuk. Staios should be looking at players that compliment them and think the game the same. Look at Jensen. Not a big name, but a perfect compliment to Chabot that is not only a really solid player in his own right, but has completely elevated Chabot's game to a new level. You find Stutzle his Jensen and you're going to see Stutzle go from an 80 point guy to an 100 point guy.

I think that our first would be really valuable if traded today, because the Senators can't offer traditional 1-year protection.

Then, if the Senators are trading an unprotected 2025 1st before they have come close to clinching, it would make sense for them to trade it as a conditional 2025 or 2026 1st.

Meaning, if the deadline for the Senators to give up their pick to the league is they day after the 2025 draft lottery, they could make it so that the team they trade the pick to has the right to take the 2026 pick instead, and has to let the Senators know at the conclusion of the draft lottery if they are taking the 2025 or 2026 pick. Then whichever they don't take would go to the NHL.

Basically, a double-unprotected pick.

With that said, if I was a seller and the Senators insisted on protecting the pick until 2027, I would probably value that more than a late 1st from a contender. Looking at the Senators, I would think that if they make the playoffs in 2025 they are giving that pick up to the league because it's supposedly a weak draft, so I'm getting a playoff pick in 2026, and if I don't get a playoff pick in 2026 because the Senators miss, that probably points to the team trending down and the 2027 pick being really good.

But traditionally, GMs don't think that way because for most GMs 3 years to wait for a 1st might as well be a lifetime. Considering the average tenure of a GM, if a GM trades for what might be the Senators 2027 1st today, they may never seen any benefit from that pick while employed.

 

[OD99]

Tarasenko had three surgeries on the same shoulder. The last one was in 2021.

Eichel's injury to his cervical disc in the neck that required replacement of the disc is a very serious injury as well & you didn’t really answer the question on whether the huge concern should remain in perpetuity.

Michelle left because the Sabres tried to tell him he couldn't have the surgery he wanted.

He made a great choice for his health and his career.

 

[Yak]

Nobody is treating me.....lol.... Let alone are retraining any of our defense unless of course Hammer would like to trade...lol

I think the captain has motivated his team with his play at the four nations. If there's smart deals to be made that better, this team will be made.

Norris is such a tricky situation. You're not going to get value for him. He's almost untradable because he has more upside than you'll ever get. In return. You just have to look at him like a disposable asset. Realistically, I don't think we're going to get what we feel he is worth. Let's say he has another injury. Everyone in the world is going to write him off, but maybe he comes back from it. Who knows with this guy. You look to trade him and it's a deal you'll never win. More than likely will play great. Every game he plays in until he gets injured and can't play ever. People will always be on the fence about him and his injury. It's a no-win situation for the GM and the team.

I'm going to give you my hot take.

I am not sure about Pinto, Grieg and Ostapchuk. I don't think Pinto is going to turn into a second fine center. I don't think Greig is a second line center and I don't even know Ostapchuk plays other than the fourth line. You're all young and I have some upside. Not sure how much and I'm not sure if they're going to price themselves off of the team eventually. I really hope we start to see more from these three down the stretch. Don't have to agree with what I said, it's just my opinions. Take them for what they are.

 

[Tuna99]

Eichel was unhappy in Buffalo because the organization was a complete dumpster fire and not serious about winning.

Pettersson is unhappy in Vancouver because Tocchet is too hard on him and he'd rather spend time playing video games than working on his game.

The two really aren't the same.

I wouldn't touch Pettersson. He's not serious about being a top end NHLer. There's no drive there.

agree, Eichel wanted a surgery the Sabers wouldn’t agree too, Petersen has hockey player depression. He likes playing hockey, he doesn’t like the work of NHL hockey. Same disease thing Laine has

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Michelle left because the Sabres tried to tell him he couldn't have the surgery he wanted.

He made a great choice for his health and his career.

I think you meant Eichel versus Michelle, and I am aware why Eichel left. And I don’t see how your post relates to the subject I was discussing. Or, maybe I have missed something like the intent of your post? I gave an example of a player (Tarasenko) who had 3 surgeries on his shoulder and has played for several (4) years after that surgery without problems. I only brought Eichel into the equation to make the point that people don’t constantly talk about him re-injuring his disc which underwent surgery and talk about him as a liability that needs to be traded. The Eichel thing seems to have resulted in this tangent.

 

[TheNewEra]

practice lines (no tkachuk, pinto, norris, chabot, sanderson)

Highmore-Stutzle-Giroux
Perron-Greig-Batherson
Reinhardt-Gaudette-Amadio
Gregor-Ostapchuk-Assistant Coach

Matinpalo-Zub
Kleven-Hamonic
JBD-Jensen

Quick notes, Highmore looks like a placeholder for brady. The fact that we havent called up another forward for that fourth line leads me to believe that one of pinto/norris are close.

Seeing JBD in a lineup this early is surprising. Seems like both Matinpalo and JBD are on the outside looking in since they are acting as placeholders for chabot and sanderson. If JBD is actually back then we are going to have to make a decision between him and Matinpalo. Our lock of the season will stay in the lineup.

 

[BondraTime]

We are going to die on the Hamonic hill.

We have been dying on that hill for 3 years.

It's an incredible feat

 

[aragorn]

I wouldn't trade Yakemchuk. I'd move another 1st before moving him. I also don't think we need to necessarily swing for the fences with a big name player. That's how Dorion ran things, and look how that turned out.

Fit is more important. You already have two guys you can build a top 6 line around with Stutzle and Tkachuk. Staios should be looking at players that compliment them and think the game the same. Look at Jensen. Not a big name, but a perfect compliment to Chabot that is not only a really solid player in his own right, but has completely elevated Chabot's game to a new level. You find Stutzle his Jensen and you're going to see Stutzle go from an 80 point guy to an 100 point guy.

Really good post. The Sens are not trading Yak anytime soon, they will need him to replace Jensen who will likely be gone maybe even before his contract runs out next season. If we look at pairs at forward we have Tkachuk & Stutzle, Norris & Batherson & Greig & Pinto & should have Ostapchuk & Halliday maybe on our 4th line in future.

If those all stay in place it's a good core to build out from & we just need to find good players to fill those spots as the older players eventually get replaced. They will need a good young RW to replace Giroux at some point on the top line & Jake O'Brien in this yr's draft should be the guy they target. They will need a good young player to replace Perron at LW on their second line & maybe Montgomery could turn into that guy at some point. They will need a RW on that 3rd line & while we have two in the org I'm not sure either Pettersson or Boucher will fill that void or they will fill it from outside the org. Same applies for the 4th line RW spot whether we can fill it internally or need to go externally to acquire that player. We have plenty of temporary injury replacement players, but are missing good young starters for those spots.

On defence they have their left side set for a few yrs & Sebrango as an injury replacement on LD. Matinpalo likely holds down the 3rd pairing Rd & Yakemchuk likely replaces Jensen when his contract is up or before that if they decide to use Jensen to upgrade somewhere else. The next one to replace on the right side would be Zub but we are still a number of yrs before that becomes a necessity & we have enough temporary depth players on D as well, but again lack staters.. In goal it seems likely now that Merilainen has the ability to become the backup in Ottawa next season with Ullmark as the #1. IMO Ott is in a great position & are replacing roster players every yr with one or two good young players & some surprises are emerging such as Matinpalo, Merilainen & Ostapchuk this yr & maybe Yakemchuk, Halliday & Montgomery next yr.

Merilainen replaces Forsberg UFA
Matinpalo replaces Hamonic UFA
Ostapchuk replaces Cousins UFA
Yakemchuk replaces Jensen (UFA next yr)
Halliday replaces Highmore UFA
Montgomery replaces Perron (UFA next yr)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Really good post. The Sens are not trading Yak anytime soon, they will need him to replace Jensen who will likely be gone maybe even before his contract runs out next season. If we look at pairs at forward we have Tkachuk & Stutzle, Norris & Batherson & Greig & Pinto & should have Ostapchuk & Halliday maybe on our 4th line in future.

If those all stay in place it's a good core to build out from & we just need to find good players to fill those spots as the older players eventually get replaced. They will need a good young RW to replace Giroux at some point on the top line & Jake O'Brien in this yr's draft should be the guy they target. They will need a good young player to replace Perron at LW on their second line & maybe Montgomery could turn into that guy at some point. They will need a RW on that 3rd line & while we have two in the org I'm not sure either Pettersson or Boucher will fill that void or they will fill it from outside the org. Same applies for the 4th line RW spot whether we can fill it internally or need to go externally to acquire that player. We have plenty of temporary injury replacement players, but are missing good young starters for those spots.

On defence they have their left side set for a few yrs & Sebrango as an injury replacement on LD. Matinpalo likely holds down the 3rd pairing Rd & Yakemchuk likely replaces Jensen when his contract is up or before that if they decide to use Jensen to upgrade somewhere else. The next one to replace on the right side would be Zub but we are still a number of yrs before that becomes a necessity & we have enough temporary depth players on D as well, but again lack staters.. In goal it seems likely now that Merilainen has the ability to become the backup in Ottawa next season with Ullmark as the #1. IMO Ott is in a great position & are replacing roster players every yr with one or two good young players & some surprises are emerging such as Matinpalo, Merilainen & Ostapchuk this yr & maybe Yakemchuk, Halliday & Montgomery next yr.

Merilainen replaces Forsberg UFA
Matinpalo replaces Hamonic UFA
Ostapchuk replaces Cousins UFA
Yakemchuk replaces Jensen (UFA next yr)
Halliday replaces Highmore UFA
Montgomery replaces Perron (UFA next yr)

Montgomery replaces Perron where?