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Confirmed Signing with Link: [DET] Bobby Ryan signs with the Red Wings (1 year, $1M)

Sting said:
You assume the good players want to play for Detroit. This coming from an Ottawa fan...good players want to play for winners.

If I'm a GM of a bottom dwelling team, you need guys like Bobby to fill out your roster before you really start to contend and promote/increase the role of your younger players.
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Then go with the youth.
Svechnikov.
Timashov.
G. Smith.

All guys who should be given opportunity this season.

Pencil in your lines.
Where does Ryan fit? Where do the rookies fit?
 
MBH said:
Oh, sorry. You wanted Helm, Nielsen and other bums from the Holland era?
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Right. But you said Yzerman was filling the roster.

Those are holdovers from Kenny, and Yzerman just got rid of one of those.
 
Lazlo Hollyfeld said:
Right. But you said Yzerman was filling the roster.

Those are holdovers from Kenny, and Yzerman just got rid of one of those.
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Right. That's why i specifically listed the Yzerman guys.
This roster was already shoulder deep in shit before Yzerman's decisions on Gagner and Ryan.
Glad he dumped Abdelkader.

But we're older and shittier than we were before the trade deadline, is what I'm guessing. At least up front.
 
Lazlo Hollyfeld said:
Filled the roster? You named 3 players.

Flip was an attempt to find someone who could do the job that Nielsen wasn't. But unlike Nielsen this is the last year of Flip's contract.

Gagner is a right-hand shot signed for 1 year at league minimum. And remember he first came to the Wings along with 2 second round picks in the deal for AA.

As someone else mentioned, good players aren't going to be super excited to sign with a cellar dweller that's several seasons away from being good. You're going to get a lot of reclamation projects.
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Oh don't worry, he hasn't forgotten about that trade.

But realistically... if Timashov, G. Smith, and Svechnikov can't push guys like Taro Hirose, Adam Erne, and Nielsen/Filppula out of their roles or hold off the incoming Bobby Ryan... they're f***ing terrible as hockey players and don't deserve a shot. Like the team is terrible. Just god awful. You don't get better by giving bad young players more roster time. You don't have to skate 20 minutes a night at the NHL level to develop.
 
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MBH said:
Right. That's why i specifically listed the Yzerman guys.
This roster was already shoulder deep in shit before Yzerman's decisions on Gagner and Ryan.
Glad he dumped Abdelkader.

But we're older and shittier than we were before the trade deadline, is what I'm guessing. At least up front.
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As someone else mentioned, you do actually have to ice an NHL roster. I'm sure some of the better kids will get their shot but it's not like they're keeping them "overly ripe" in the minors.
 
MBH said:
Right. That's why i specifically listed the Yzerman guys.
This roster was already shoulder deep in shit before Yzerman's decisions on Gagner and Ryan.
Glad he dumped Abdelkader.

But we're older and shittier than we were before the trade deadline, is what I'm guessing. At least up front.
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Was it? Was it?

Guys who held roster spots last year

Perlini
Ehn
Ericsson
Daley
Bowey

etc. Gone. We had a bunch of really bad players and they are the ones let go. Filppula, Nemeth, Biega, Ryan, Gagner, Merrill, etc. gone next year.
 
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tsweeney said:
Was it? Was it?

Guys who held roster spots last year

Perlini
Ehn
Ericsson
Daley
Bowey

etc. Gone. We had a bunch of really bad players and they are the ones let go. Filppula, Nemeth, Biega, Ryan, Gagner, Merrill, etc. gone next year.
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I'm talking about forwards.
I'll worry about assessing next year's offseason after this season.
 
MBH said:
Then go with the youth.
Svechnikov.
Timashov.
G. Smith.

All guys who should be given opportunity this season.

Pencil in your lines.
Where does Ryan fit? Where do the rookies fit?
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If they're not ready, rookies can get crushed in the big leagues. The NHL is very unforgiving to players who are not ready...you need to insulate them. If one of those guys outplays Ryan, no big deal in him being scratched half the year at near league minimum.
 
MBH said:
I'm talking about forwards.
I'll worry about assessing next year's offseason after this season.
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Fine, Perlini, Ehn, and Abdelkader gone. 6M of forwards

On the front end, Gagner, Ryan, X. 2 million, plus probably another ELC in Smith, Svech, or otherwise.

How exactly are we a worse team for doing this?

Lastly, Hirose brought back? Do you have a problem with Hirose? Because if you have a problem with Ryan and/or Gagner, you should probably have one with Hirose. He's not a good hockey player.
The other guys you complain about not having spots... Smith got late season PT, Timashov was literally injected into the roster off waivers for free, Svechnikov would have gotten the PT that went to Timashov if he was healthy. You had a point when the Wings had 4M contracts going to these guys. But Gagner, Ryan, etc? They're one year contracts that can be cut, buried, traded with 50% retention with like 20k of salary left.... You just want everything done the way you want it to go and if it doesn't go exactly how you lay it out in your head, it's wrong.
 
Lazlo Hollyfeld said:
As someone else mentioned, you do actually have to ice an NHL roster. I'm sure some of the better kids will get their shot but it's not like they're keeping them "overly ripe" in the minors.
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You also have to give Svechnikov a shot.

And we're already loaded with mediocrity guys to give us an "NHL roster."
On a team that already has:
Filppula. Erne. Helm. Nielsen.
We needed Bobby f***ing Ryan?

As it was, by going out and getting a 2C, the only true rookie I had in the lineup was Svech.
Inexperienced guys in Timashov and Zadina.
No room for Smith.

If you can't find room to give these kids an opportunity to play on a last place-by-a-mile team, 1) you oppose giving kids a shot in what's clearly a rebuild or 2) you're a hometeam groupthink cheerleader.

Here's how many Under-24 guys we KNOW will be on the roster up front next year.

Zadina.
We're not some really young team that needs a ton of veterans.
 
Mean, Red Wings fans should NOT be sour about this.

He's a good player. A good guy.

The signing is minimal.

Why charlie hate?
 
ShanahanMan said:
How is a 20-30 point guy signing for close to league minimum so controversial?
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Weigh the pros and cons.
Pro: Ryan plays and scored 25-30 points as a 34-year-old - if he doesn't backslide.
Con: He takes the icetime of kid who could help the rebuild. Kid ends up on waivers and develops for some other team.

I could see some logic in awarding these jobs to veterans if they were good, since we don't have any cap issues.
I don't see much upside to mediocre, past-their-prime veterans when they aren't needed.
 
This could be a sneaky pickup.

Ryan does nothing, it's a 1yr deal, who cares.

Ryan puts up a decent season, he's a pick and/or a prospect at the deadline.
 
MBH said:
Weigh the pros and cons.
Pro: Ryan plays and scored 25-30 points as a 34-year-old - if he doesn't backslide.
Con: He takes the icetime of kid who could help the rebuild. Kid ends up on waivers and develops for some other team.
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Explain to me what young player we have that can shoulder 82 games on a team that's inevitably going to get their shit kicked in.

Playing experience is not always a positive if you're getting ruined night in and night out.
 
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