Dale Weise

[Saundies]

We were outshot 13-5 with Weise on the ice last night, out-attempted 27-7. That's despite playing with our best two-way center and our best possession-driving winger. He dragged the two of them down that hard.

That horseshoe buried up his ass is going to fall out sooner or later. He does not belong on a first line in this league. Not now, not ever.

While I do agree that Weise isn't a first line guy, to say that one player is responsible for an entire line's performance like that is insane.

He also scored and our best defensive centre had one of his best offensive nights in a while. Does Weise get any credit for that too? Doubt it.

 

[Bouboumaster]

NMW : Need Morre Weise!

All Hail the Dutch Gretzky!

 

[CN_paladin]

Diaz' last 5 games playing time:

11:08
10:15
6:24
10:28
8:26

Enough said.

 

[Brainiac]

Dale Beast!
We're the smallest team in the NHL we need more Weise.

We're actually 12th by weight, which is good.

While it's true that we're small (27th in the league for height), the gap is ridiculously small compared to other teams. We're half a inch smaller than the median.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

In less than a calendar year Diaz has gone from the Habs to the Canucks to the Rangers to the Flames and he's a 7th d-man on a playoff bubble team. In Weise we received a very serviceable player for Diaz so I wish Diaz all the luck in world but I would never accept him on my NHL team even if he wanted to play for free. We won that trade in spades and the fact that we're still talking about this shows me you're still sore about the trade.

"We" aren't "still" talking about anything. YOU decided to quote a post from 2 weeks ago.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Weise has spent only 33.69% of his season next to Malholtra at ES.

He has spent another 32.4% in a top 6 role with the following combos:

15.32% with Pacioretty and DD
7.81% with Plekanec and DD
4.97.16% with Plekanec and Sekac
4.42% with Pacioretty and Plekanec

And he he has spent another 16.13% on the 3rd line with:

8.27% with Eller and Bourque.
3.75 with Eller and Sekac.
2.38 with Plekanec and Prust.
1,73 With Eller and Prust.



Just to put that into perspective, Sekac, OTHO, has spent only 19.65% (or around 20% if you count all the instances less than 1% which I have not included because they are so marginal) in a top 6 role with the following combos:

4.91% with Weise and Plekanec.
4.66% with Andrighetto and Plekanec
4.21% with Galchenyuk and Plekanec
3.96% with Prust and Plakenec
1.91% with Pacioretty and DD

In other words, Weise has spent as much time with Pacioretty and Sekac has been given top 6 opportunities.

Also, Eller has spent almost as much time with the blackhole Bourque (25.33% of his season) and Weise has spent with the blackhole Malholtra.

Weise has definitely seized the opportunity, but I don't know if it's sustainable. Ideally, I'd like to see a true top 6 winger alongside Pacioretty and Plekanec. Maybe PAP can slide in there when he comes back (if he fails there, then it should be the end of him). Weise's success there begs the question of how well Sekac would do playing big minutes next to Pacioretty. It's great that Weise gets to be on a 30-35 point pace while playing next to Patches, but perhaps someone else like Sekac would produce even more in that role. For me it's about opportunity cost. I just hope Weise isn't a long-term fixture in the top 6.

I'd like to know your source for numbers.

I also don't understand why we brought up Sekac. Eller spent more time with at least one quality linemate than Weise, this is fact. Yes, Weise got better players and he also got worse players, that's a given but he also got a ******** less ice time too.

 

[Andy]

I'd like to know your source for numbers.

I also don't understand why we brought up Sekac. Eller spent more time with at least one quality linemate than Weise, this is fact. Yes, Weise got better players and he also got worse players, that's a given but he also got a ******** less ice time too.

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_linecombo.php Go wild.

I brought up Sekac, because Weise also has more points than Jiri, who I happened to think should be placed next to Patches and Plekanec with PAP out.

As for comparing production of Eller and Sekac to Weise, it's kind of apples and oranges. Weise's production has come almost entirelly from being next to Pacioretty and in a top 6 role. Both Eller and Sekac haven't really had those opportunities, so the comparison is pretty moot.

As for Eller, he's spent 61.63% of his season with bottom 6 players, in a 3rd line role. Compares gto the top 6 his offensive opprotunities are limited.

32.78% with Sekac and Prust
8.67% with Bourque and Sekac
7.36% with Weise and Bourque
3.34 with Weise and Sekac
3.12% with Prust and Bourque
2.98% with Thomas and Sekac
1.85% with Bournival and Sekac
1.53% with Prust and Weise

As for getting ice time with top 6 players (i consider the top 6 to be pacioretty, plekanec, gallagher, pap, dd, and Galchenyuk), this is what it looks like:

3.12% with DD and Weise
2.75% with PAP and Sekac
5.01% with Bourque and PAP

That's 10.88%. Any other combinations with top 6 forwards account for less than 1% of his combinations.

So as you can see, it means nothing to compare Weise and Eller's production. Put Eller next to Pacioretty for 20% of his line combination use, and in a more offensive role, and see if he will have a few points than his current 15 total.

 

[Haburger]

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_linecombo.php Go wild.

I brought up Sekac, because Weise also has more points than Jiri, who I happened to think should be placed next to Patches and Plekanec with PAP out.

As for comparing production of Eller and Sekac to Weise, it's kind of apples and oranges. Weise's production has come almost entirelly from being next to Pacioretty and in a top 6 role. Both Eller and Sekac haven't really had those opportunities, so the comparison is pretty moot.

As for Eller, he's spent 61.63% of his season with bottom 6 players, in a 3rd line role. Compares gto the top 6 his offensive opprotunities are limited.

32.78% with Sekac and Prust
8.67% with Bourque and Sekac
7.36% with Weise and Bourque
3.34 with Weise and Sekac
3.12% with Prust and Bourque
2.98% with Thomas and Sekac
1.85% with Bournival and Sekac
1.53% with Prust and Weise

As for getting ice time with top 6 players (i consider the top 6 to be pacioretty, plekanec, gallagher, pap, dd, and Galchenyuk), this is what it looks like:

3.12% with DD and Weise
2.75% with PAP and Sekac
5.01% with Bourque and PAP

That's 10.88%. Any other combinations with top 6 forwards account for less than 1% of his combinations.

So as you can see, it means nothing to compare Weise and Eller's production. Put Eller next to Pacioretty for 20% of his line combination use, and in a more offensive role, and see if he will have a few points than his current 15 total.

Eller doesnt have the smarts to finish.he s a checker who rags the puck for a bit then turns it over to the other team.creates less offense than bourque and softer than p.a. .i d say deal him but the kid has absolutely zero value.

 

[Mr. Hab]

Weise gives us options for our TOP 9 (love it!) with his speed/grit/heart/underrated talent:

Pacioretty-Pleks-Weise
Galchenyuk-DD-Gallagher/Weise
Sekac-Eller-Weise/Parenteau
Prust-Malhotra-Bournival/Weise

I'd give him an extra TWO years...right now.
($2mil/year or more X two years).


<Emelin's NTC expensive contract...
<Parenteau's salary (will be useless in playoffs since there are no shootouts).

<Weise does way more for our Habs VS Emelin and Parenteau, and Weise only makes 1mil!!!! Give Weise a raise ($2mil/year or more for 2017 and 2018)...right now. I don't want to lose Weise to UFA...no way.

 

[Beige Van]

Eller doesnt have the smarts to finish.he s a checker who rags the puck for a bit then turns it over to the other team.creates less offense than bourque and softer than p.a. .i d say deal him but the kid has absolutely zero value.

Go burgle some hamburgers or something..

 

[CaptainBenn]

Go burgle some hamburgers or something..

Wtf? Hes right

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Eller doesnt have the smarts to finish.he s a checker who rags the puck for a bit then turns it over to the other team.creates less offense than bourque and softer than p.a. .i d say deal him but the kid has absolutely zero value.

...you, good sir, should stick to poker, as it seems the intricacies of the NHL and its players are too much for you...

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Wtf? Hes right

You always hated Eller.

Did you watch the last 2 games?? Eller was dominant he set up Sekac numerous time. If you can't see this that's because you're blinded by hate. Read the GDT or christ, watch the damn game before making stupid claims.

Eller is one of the best 3rd center in the league. He plays and excellent 2 way games, him are Sekac are puck possession monsters and Eller is amongst the best in the league in the dot. He's basically everything you want as a third center.

Stop the spreading the stupid hate and watch the games instead.. and I'm sure I'm talking on the behalf of 99% of us here.

 

[CaptainBenn]

...you, good sir, should stick to poker, as it seems the intricacies of the NHL and its players are too much for you...

Please tell us how great Eller is... Guy is nothing more than a 3rd liner you would expect more from a guy picked in the same draft and before Pac Mcdonagh and Subban

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Wtf? Hes right

...wtf...no, he's not...again, Eller does the dirty work on the 3rd line and does it as good or better than pretty much any other 3rd line centre in the League...both the stats and the eye test show that...expecting him to score 60 with no PP time and pretty much no O-Zone starts while in a defensive role is ridiculous...but hey, why let facts ruin a good story...

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Please tell us how great Eller is... Guy is nothing more than a 3rd liner you would expect more from a guy picked in the same draft and before Pac Mcdonagh and Subban

You tell us what do you expect from Eller based on MT is using him then maybe you will realize how stupid your expectations are.

 

[CaptainBenn]

You always hated Eller.

Did you watch the last 2 games?? Eller was dominant he set up Sekac numerous time. If you can't see this that's because you're blinded by hate. Read the GDT or christ, watch the damn game before making stupid claims.

Eller is one of the best 3rd center in the league. He plays and excellent 2 way games, him are Sekac are puck possession monsters and Eller is amongst the best in the league in the dot. He's basically everything you want as a third center.

Stop the spreading the stupid hate and watch the games instead.. and I'm sure I'm talking on the behalf of 99% of us here.

Its not hate its strong disappointment, how many years are we going to wait he could be so much more
If you say he had 2 good games now he will go invisible the next games, I base my opinion on all the games not a small sample Im disappoint he was not picked to be a 3rd liner

 

[CaptainBenn]

You tell us what do you expect from Eller based on MT is using him then maybe you will realize how stupid your expectations are.

Look at what he did last playoffs, he has the talent why not play like that every night?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Its not hate its strong disappointment, how many years are we going to wait he could be so much more
If you say he had 2 good games now he will go invisible the next games, I base my opinion on all the games not a small sample Im disappoint he was not picked to be a 3rd liner

...so you're POed he's used as a 3rd liner, even if he's one of the best 3rd line centres in the game...you realize that's not his decision, right??...and we didn't draft Eller, St. Louis did...we got Eller for Halak, a trade that worked out for both teams and is still working out for the Habs...you need perspective here, amigo...

 

[JLP]

We're actually 12th by weight, which is good.

While it's true that we're small (27th in the league for height), the gap is ridiculously small compared to other teams. We're half a inch smaller than the median.

Really? What source did you consult?

 

[ECWHSWI]

Please tell us how great Eller is... Guy is nothing more than a 3rd liner you would expect more from a guy picked in the same draft and before Pac Mcdonagh and Subban

is played as such, so what's the problem ?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Look at what he did last playoffs, he has the talent why not play like that every night?

...he does most nights, however it's hard to drive the offense when you're placed in a defensive role and given plugs for linemates (see; Bork, Moen)...any time Eller has been given guys that can help him drive the offense, he's produced with them...your problem with him is on the coaches, amigo...

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Its not hate its strong disappointment, how many years are we going to wait he could be so much more than a meh player who happens to have good games sometimes
If you say he had 2 good games now he will go invisible the next games, I base my opinion on all the games not a small sample

Dude please, there aren't many Eller haters on the board because there's not much to hate about his game.. but you're one of them. You always bash him for no reason. That's the definition of a hater.
You still haven't said what do you expect from him.

He's a being used a third center.. What do you expect from him 40-50pts? Without PP and playing with Prust? That's impossible. Every 3rd center in the league has a specific role, Eller is doing EXACTLY what we are expecting him to do. Which is a strong 2 way games, secondary scoring, responsible defensively, capable of playing on the PK and good at the dot. Eller does ALL that pretty well.

He is second of the whole ****ing league in game winning goals tied with no name like Ovechkin, Nash, P. Kate.. and better than Crosby, Malkin, Seguin, Tarasenko, Stamkos etc etc.. Yeah.. our ****ing 3rd line center that never plays on the PP have more winning goals than superstars in the league. Eller alone has scored 21% of the Habs game winner this season.

He's much more useful for the Habs than you think. If you think he's useless, try to name me 3rd line center in the league you would take over Eller. Maybe that will put you more in perspective and you would realize Eller is not as bad as you think.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Look at what he did last playoffs, he has the talent why not play like that every night?

I think you need to realize that Eller is playing EXACTLY the same way he is playing in the playoffs. You very dishonest if you think he sucks now compared to his playoffs last season. The difference is that Bourque had a shot % of 15 and Eller himself at 20.

If Eller scored at the same shot % than his last playoffs , he'd have 15 goals by now.

 

[Windymind]

I think you need to realize that Eller is playing EXACTLY the same way he is playing in the playoffs. You very dishonest if you think he sucks now compared to his playoffs last season. The difference is that Bourque had a shot % of 15 and Eller himself at 20.

If Eller scored at the same shot % than his last playoffs , he'd have 15 goals by now.

Is this thread about Eller?

Weise was good yesterday on the first line as the "energy guy". Therrien seems to build trios with a play maker, a snipper, and an energy guy that go to the net.