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Correction: it smelled batty from the start.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X
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Correction: it smelled batty from the start.
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the science stuff doesn’t bother me.
science follows the data and as you study, test and research you learn more.
and since it follows the data, there is no need hang on to ineffective treatments.
we don’t treat people with leeches anymore.
In terms of politicians, yes. Should be fined and fired on the spot for losing the public trust.
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But they are treating people with leeches, and that is the problem. They ignore the data.
Prevalence of Chronic Diseases Among Canadian Adults - Canada.ca
2016 study says on avg 40% of Canadian 20+ population has one (or more) chronic disease
This is NOT a small number. Although, i think we are much better than 60% that CDC stated for US
Not sure that I would put "mood and/or anxiety disorders" in the same category as cancer and those other diseases.
Seems like everyone today claims to have some type of mental health problem.
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well there are two ways you can see that.
one, suffering people are encouraged to come forward and get help as a result of campaigns like #lets talk and high profile athletes and celebrities realizing it’s not a weakness to have an issue
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Everyone is making it up.
I don't its being made up at all. Having the #lets talk does help. I have noticed more young adults and teens seem to suffer from mental health then before. Its the one thing I have trouble understanding. Why so many young people struggle with life.
In the context of having a chronic disease... there's a big difference between having cancer and having anxiety.
I don't think the problem is that people are fabricating their mental health problems... but I think the culture is encouraging it because it's a way for people to get sympathy and attention. I think all the campaigns like "let's talk" are pretty phony. The Bell "let's talk" campaign is just a marketing strategy. From the way they treat some of their employees, I don't think they actually care about mental health. A lot of this stuff is just being pushed by the psychiatrists and drug companies to keep money flowing their direction. I'm not sure that all the intervention (therapy + pharmacological treatment) is actually improving the situation.
Cancer is on a different level for sure but my daughter has anxiety disorder/depression and when it comes on she is a mess. It is very sad really. Without drugs to help out many more would be killing themselves. It is a very serious issue. And it can happen to anyone young or old. Factory worker or professional. It cuts through economic classes all da same. Be happy you don't have it. It is debilitating.
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gettitng a little off topic but having clinical depression or a panic disorder is indeed like having a chronic disease.
with clinical depression, there is a biological component and unfortunately it can wire the brain to want to kill itself.
totally agree that there is a difference and spectrum.... from someone that is nervous about a presentation to someone who suffers debilitating panic attacks.
I would just encourage you to be open minded if someone reaches out and discloses that they are struggling. It takes a lot of character to open up and usually it’s because they have reached a breaking point.
John Tory and the police chief were taking questions
don’t think curfews make sense and no active planning has been put towards them
Tory said it’s more media questions than talk of it in actual official circles
don’t think curfews make sense and no active planning has been put towards them
Tory said it’s more media questions than talk of it in actual official circles
I never thought about it or was exposed to it until my daughter was around 14 and then at 4 am in da morning I learned more about it than anyone should ever experience ... it brings a man to his knees faster than a right hook and recovery is much more complex ... but I can get how many people think it is a lark ... i did too quite frankly and probably still would if it did not hit me in da face
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It's complicated somewhat in that in my experience, there are a lot of terrible doctors that have a tendency to automatically lump things under certain diseases/illnesses (almost as catchalls) without ever figuring out root causes or actual diagnosis. Many are legitimate illnesses but just not properly diagnosed. To give an example (not mental health in this case), I witnessed a doctor squeeze someone's shoulder and declare they had fibromyalgia. On to the next one.....
The list of craptacular doctor interactions I could provide you with is sadly quite long. Only positive for me personally is they didn't tend to be my own as I am luckily very healthy.
How much time do you have? Growing up on social media, increasingly limited sense of community, crippling debt, sky-rocketing real estate prices, limited job prospects, and a global pandemic to magnify it all.
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Pretty well said. Disconnect and disinformation has made people feel isolated.
I try to pump my kids tires everyday knowing that it is doubtful unless something changes that they can purchase a home in the GTA where they grew up.
As a coach of many teens, it is clear that there is a lot of angst and uncertainty.
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I don’t really see the point of curfews.
if I think back to my university days, if you told me that alcohol would stop being served at 11.... I would just start priming earlier.
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Meanwhile, in Ontario....
“Hospitalization figures continue to reach new pandemic highs in Ontario. There are now 1,463 people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the province's hospitals. Of those, 361 are being treated in intensive care and 246 require a ventilator.
In the weeks since Ford last took questions, there have been more than 40,000 new COVID-19 cases in the province, while the number of people hospitalized has risen sharply and 579 more people have died. Two hospitals, one in London and another in Windsor, said this week they are using mobile freezer trailers to temporarily store bodies after their morgues reached capacity from influxes of patients who died with COVID-19“
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-january-6-2021-ford-newser-1.5862929
“Hospitalization figures continue to reach new pandemic highs in Ontario. There are now 1,463 people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the province's hospitals. Of those, 361 are being treated in intensive care and 246 require a ventilator.
In the weeks since Ford last took questions, there have been more than 40,000 new COVID-19 cases in the province, while the number of people hospitalized has risen sharply and 579 more people have died. Two hospitals, one in London and another in Windsor, said this week they are using mobile freezer trailers to temporarily store bodies after their morgues reached capacity from influxes of patients who died with COVID-19“
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-january-6-2021-ford-newser-1.5862929
I know it's getting bad in the hospitals, but so far, I don't think it's all that much worse than a bad flu season in terms of hospital capacity. You can find articles from 2018 talking about running out of space for patients.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/hospital-overcrowding-windsor-crisis-1.4503107
Surgeries postponed after severe flu cases overwhelmed Toronto ICU
I think it is probably worse than a bad flu season, but it's not significantly worse. It's not like it's 10x worse. And I think in a few months, there will be more of a crisis if cases continue to grow. But at the moment, I'm not so sure if our hospitals are all that much busier than they were during bad flu seasons.
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Dude. People are dying. Alone. In record numbers.
it’s a flu. It’s a little worse than a flu.
f’me man.
when they lock down LTC’s, do you know what happens?
residents are locked in their rooms. And the shortage of nurses means than no one checks in on them for hours.
they lay in their own feces. For hours. Until someone unlocks the door and comes to check on them. In Quebec, some homes have 2 nurses for 50 residents. How often is your mom getting checked if there are 25 residents to look in on during an 8 hour shift?
these are our veterans. Our mothers. Our fathers. Our grandparents.
and it’s not just Covid patients.
my dad has a terminal illness. He went to the hospital 2 days ago with alarming symptoms.
there was no bed for him. He was on a gurney, in the hall. While there, he vomited on himself.
since he was alone (As Covid protocols reduce visitors) he says he laid there for about an hour in his own vomit until someone noticed and took off his shirt. He had no change of clothes, so he laid their shirtless in the hall with PJ bottoms and slippers.
Ultimately, they addressed his symptoms while he most likely should have been kept for observation (internal bleeding) they sent him home at 4am as they had no beds to my 75 year old mother to look after. She picked him up in his slippers and pants.... no jacket and in the cold... and took him home.
You know his wish? Not to get Covid so he can die with family.
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It's worse than any recent flu season. Number of COVID patients has accelerated. Very sick people in the ICU. Annual mortality rate is at least 5-10x that of influenza, and those numbers are climbing fast
Many hospitals are closing their Paeds units to accomodate adult patients. That is a very rare occurrence
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I guess the decision-makers and hospital staff should learn a lesson here, don't cry wolf. As you and a few others have stated it seems every year the hospitals are complaining of shortages, be it staff, rooms, ambulances, money, etc. If everybody is honest we all admit reading that every year for quite sometime now. Maybe this year is different but you can't blame the people who are not part of the inner circle for thinking .. we hear this every year.
That's exactly it- you're not in the inner circle
Every winter, hospitals are running overcapacity. If it wasn't for staff going waaay above and beyond the call of duty, the system would collapse
For the record, those previous years were bad. There was no crying wolf. This one is just much worse
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US just posted 4K deaths for the day; I really hope things get better there soon and we don't see anything like that in Canada
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