Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X

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I guess the decision-makers and hospital staff should learn a lesson here, don't cry wolf. As you and a few others have stated it seems every year the hospitals are complaining of shortages, be it staff, rooms, ambulances, money, etc. If everybody is honest we all admit reading that every year for quite sometime now. Maybe this year is different but you can't blame the people who are not part of the inner circle for thinking .. we hear this every year.


Or, they were not crying wolf and exposing a flaw in our healthcare system.

The fact that 350 people can overload our system is a real issue.
 
Or, they were not crying wolf and exposing a flaw in our healthcare system.

The fact that 350 people can overload our system is a real issue.

Exactly. It's not that they were crying wolf... it's that our healthcare system often operates at capacity or over capacity just due to the seasonal flu and seasonal illnesses. So a bad flu year like in 2018 really puts a lot of pressure on the healthcare system.

I don't doubt that COVID has made a bad situation even worse... but the question is how much worse? Is it pretty similar to a bad flu year like in 2018? Is it a little bit worse than that? A lot worse than that? Way, way worse than that? Kind of hard to know. I suspect that it's only slightly worse than a bad flu year. I don't think it's on a whole other level. It's not like we're seeing them turn schools into field hospitals where all the classrooms are filled with patients and then they start filling up the gymnasiums with people. We haven't converted stadiums into massive field hospitals. It doesn't seem like we're anywhere near that level of crisis.
 
It's worse than any recent flu season. Number of COVID patients has accelerated. Very sick people in the ICU. Annual mortality rate is at least 5-10x that of influenza, and those numbers are climbing fast
Many hospitals are closing their Paeds units to accomodate adult patients. That is a very rare occurrence

source?
 
UHN has run out of vaccines and won’t be able to hit Vaccine appointments anymore

they are trying to move vaccines to the unc
 
So
Rick Hillier said they can do 30K vaccines a day and Ontario is only getting 10K
 
Ford just had a press conference begging for vaccines

Trudeau is in the weeds
 
For those downplaying asymptomatic spread and touting masks as serving no purpose

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/07/covid-death-record/#click=https://t.co/H9pwMRdl3j

from the article

Many factors influence how the coronavirus spreads. The researchers took an admittedly uncomplicated approach — Butler called it “a fairly simple mathematical model” — and used that to assess several scenarios, varying the infectious period and the proportion of transmission from people who never develop symptoms.
The model consistently predicted asymptomatic spread accounted for roughly half of viral transmission. But Muge Cevik, an infectious-disease expert at Scotland’s University of St. Andrews, argued some of the model’s assumptions are flawed.
Cevik also noted the study does not account for the environment where the spread occurs.
Maybe asymptomatic transmission is important, but it may be much more important in long-term care facilities and households,” Cevik said. “That might mean that we need to do much more targeted testing for high-risk populations,” as opposed to mass screening.


The part that is underlined is complete male cow dung
 
Yes get more vaccines here and fast fast fast ... i heard from one of our teacher neighbours that a couple of their elementary COVID test sites at 2 schools in Mississauga and brampton turned up like a 8-9 percent infection rate for kids under 13 ... so guess what all that BS people were spreading that kids don't get it was a load of you now what ... now Ford is shutting down schools after seeing data ... all that it is is da kids don't get sick with symptoms but they sure as h*ll are getting and spreading da virus ... this was so elementary to me and obvious i just can't understand how everyone else in politics missed it ... it is why we likely have had this surge not da small businesses which were punished ... really the only major thing that changed was schools opening up .. now it is way harder to stop this wave ... all you people should be ashamed ... it takes some time to grow from kids to teachers to parents and then to grandparents and we completely screwed up opening back schools in September
 
from the article

Many factors influence how the coronavirus spreads. The researchers took an admittedly uncomplicated approach — Butler called it “a fairly simple mathematical model” — and used that to assess several scenarios, varying the infectious period and the proportion of transmission from people who never develop symptoms.
The model consistently predicted asymptomatic spread accounted for roughly half of viral transmission. But Muge Cevik, an infectious-disease expert at Scotland’s University of St. Andrews, argued some of the model’s assumptions are flawed.
Cevik also noted the study does not account for the environment where the spread occurs.
Maybe asymptomatic transmission is important, but it may be much more important in long-term care facilities and households,” Cevik said. “That might mean that we need to do much more targeted testing for high-risk populations,” as opposed to mass screening.


The part that is underlined is complete male cow dung

I think the point is that asymptomatic spread plays a role in transmission based on this model. The estimate they provide has flaws, which the authors' acknowledge
 
So now we will ship the covid patients off to other parts of the province. Good lockdown plan.

The health workers in those communities will appreciate that. As we've seen, a large number of them will contract the virus and bring it home. Another great plan brought to you by the decision makers.
 
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I think the point is that asymptomatic spread plays a role in transmission based on this model. The estimate they provide has flaws, which the authors' acknowledge
obvious to all, afterall that was the key to the position people took about covid being spread around in the home. Everyone that took that stance stated, "How do you know the family member wasn't asymptomatic?"
 
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So now we will ship the covid patients off to other parts of the province. Good lockdown plan.

The health workers in those communities will appreciate that. As we've seen a large number of them will contract the virus and bring it home. Another great plan brought to you by the decision makers.
I don't know if people realize this but Brampton and Mississauga have been doing this for weeks already ... probably why Halton got screwed over ... good news is we have opened a COVID hospital in Burlington now so assuming we are shipping da COVID cases there now ... wait a month and Burlington will be screwed over too
 
I don't know if people realize this but Brampton and Mississauga have been doing this for weeks already ... probably why Halton got screwed over ... good news is we have opened a COVID hospital in Burlington now so assuming we are shipping da COVID cases there now ... wait a month and Burlington will be screwed over too
You would think the hospitals would ship out the noncovid cases.
 
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obvious to all, afterall that was the key to the position people took about covid being spread around in the home. Everyone that took that stance stated, "How do you know the family member wasn't asymptomatic?"

That isn't the case and you still have people underplaying the role of asymptomatic spread. Comes up in arguments against masks, transmission within schools, etc
 
You would think the hospitals would ship out the noncovid cases.
Yes .. my guess is docs and nurses in Peel are so strained/burnt out now they are likely pushing COVID out .. too many deaths can really way on our staff ... so let new staff in Burlington deal with it for awhile .. we are getting to point soon where people are going to bolt up north until vaccine is here ... it is getting too risky here .. i don't want it back again no thanks a few days of that crap no way i don't need someone standing on my chest for 3 days
 
Yes .. my guess is docs and nurses in Peel are so strained/burnt out now they are likely pushing COVID out .. too many deaths can really way on our staff ... so let new staff in Burlington deal with it for awhile .. we are getting to point soon where people are going to bolt up north until vaccine is here ... it is getting too risky here .. i don't want it back again no thanks a few days of that crap no way i don't need someone standing on my chest for 3 days

My guess as to why COVID patients are being shipped out actually has more to do with ICU planning. Need to make sure you have ICU beds available for patients who become sicker. Easier to do that if COVID patients are spread out across centers
 
contain covid rather than spread it.

Covid is everywhere in the GTA, peel, etc. Whether you're transporting patients in or out isn't going to really change that. Plus Health Care professional are wearing full PPE and following IPAC guidance. Intrahospital spread is not what is driving up covid numbers

The choice to move Covid instead of non covid patients between hospitals likely has to do with ICU bed planning. When these patients become more sick, you need the resources to deal with it. Spreading these patients across centers makes that more feasible. Impossible to do so if all COVID patients are in one place
 
Yes get more vaccines here and fast fast fast ... i heard from one of our teacher neighbours that a couple of their elementary COVID test sites at 2 schools in Mississauga and brampton turned up like a 8-9 percent infection rate for kids under 13 ... so guess what all that BS people were spreading that kids don't get it was a load of you now what ... now Ford is shutting down schools after seeing data ... all that it is is da kids don't get sick with symptoms but they sure as h*ll are getting and spreading da virus ... this was so elementary to me and obvious i just can't understand how everyone else in politics missed it ... it is why we likely have had this surge not da small businesses which were punished ... really the only major thing that changed was schools opening up .. now it is way harder to stop this wave ... all you people should be ashamed ... it takes some time to grow from kids to teachers to parents and then to grandparents and we completely screwed up opening back schools in September

I never agreed with the school opening plan but it was done with input from SickKids. They took a calculated risk based on the low community transmission at the time (trying to balance the long term harm of school closures on children). The issue is that they took too long to reevaluate this plan and didn't act sooner when community transmission was much higher in Nov and even October.

Have never known a respiratory virus that kids can't catch and spread.
 
My guess as to why COVID patients are being shipped out actually has more to do with ICU planning. Need to make sure you have ICU beds available for patients who become sicker. Easier to do that if COVID patients are spread out across centers
Yeah for sure you are right ... makes total sense ... although not sure if you are from Burlington you would agree to it ... where is this new COVID hospital in Burlington?
 
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