Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X

[Crazy Monkey]

But they remain an interesting place to watch considering how much better they're doing than states that locked down.


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Ps you sure this graph is accurate? Numbers look a bit off to me

Edit: nevermind. Checked they are close enough

 

[Jojalu]

Sorry to hear it. I am not kidding I have several clients that have had their bank financing pulled due to delays caused by covid and they already invested millions of their personal finances into these projects. People tend to think of developers as rich but most are just regular people looking for somewhere to park their nest egg. Imagine paying a million bucks in consulting, permit and development charge fees just to have your project canceled and it was maybe half of all you had? Another round of construction shutdowns and I fear the worst. So far, my company has been unaffected and I strangely feel guilty about that. Probably won't last though if things keep going the way they are.

Don't feel guilty. I am happy for those who have been unaffected. Except for the big box stores. I am not happy for them. Lol

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I mean softer check points. Pretty sure they had that in Australia - basically like a random RIDE stop asking what you're doing out. Also, I think you overestimate Canadians. We're very docile and compliant. I think it's coming and I think we'll as a whole just accept it. I may relocate to our property in Nova Scotia for a couple of months if this happens.

Great spot to go ... people from there have got this thing under control ... and as i understand it they all take it seriously but there is respect for all and life really about 6 foot distancing and masks and it is under control without change in livelihoods or schools ... my son when he lived out there says it is incredible to see respect on roads and respect for rules but there is very little diversity there so people all kinda think and do same stuff so maybe lends itself well to controlling it

 

[Mickey Marner]

By the time he comes back Halton will probably have a curfew and police will ticket you for leaving your home.

 

[Confucius]

Great spot to go ... people from there have got this thing under control ... and as i understand it they all take it seriously but there is respect for all and life really about 6 foot distancing and masks and it is under control without change in livelihoods or schools ... my son when he lived out there says it is incredible to see respect on roads and respect for rules but there is very little diversity there so people all kinda think and do same stuff so maybe lends itself well to controlling it

A little off topic but your respect on the roads comment, reminded me of the first time I went to PEI to visit a relative.

I would be walking along, still be 20 feet or more from the crosswalk and cars were stopping. lol! Blew me away, I commented it was dangerous because with my luck I'd get used to it and some guy visiting from Ontario would probably just blow through the intersection.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I have 2 jobs, one as baseball coach and I supplement that with doing construction. I was part of the crew that built the field hospitals in Burlington and Mississauga.

Even though construction is on, because of restrictions on both sports and construction this has been the worst financial year of my life.

When and where is da Mississauga field hospital? Not heard about that one. Is it built yet? Sorry to hear about income loss too many people have been hit too hard.

 

[Muston Atthews]

The CDC has historical data on the annual mortality rate from influenza in the usa. It's available online. Just one example

So you don’t have a source. Where is influenza vs COVID mortality rates from this year?

 

[Muston Atthews]

Kind of a weird thing for me because I don't believe in some of the measures we're taking and I myself would have no problem travelling. But I follow Halton Police on Twitter and they have relentlessly been posting messages about staying at home, follow health expert guidance, etc. I think that's the difference: I'm not preaching to others about their covid habits. But anyone that is should be setting an example first. That's why so many leaders are being pilloried.

it’s funny. Every single one of us is allowed to do what he is doing. Yet he’s going to be vilified for going on vacation. Just pure jealousy on the mobs part that they’re so scared of the virus that they don’t want to go so no one else is allowed to go. The stay at home thing is a guideline not a rule. But people are treating it as rule

Now on the other hand, the optics are terrible. You tell people to stay home and are even enforcing it through the police and you’re not even following your own guidelines.

 

[Jojalu]

When and where is da Mississauga field hospital? Not heard about that one. Is it built yet? Sorry to hear about income loss too many people have been hit too hard.

All good.

It is behind the Trillium Hospital on Queensway. I havn't gone down to see if it is stll there

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Great spot to go ... people from there have got this thing under control ... and as i understand it they all take it seriously but there is respect for all and life really about 6 foot distancing and masks and it is under control without change in livelihoods or schools ... my son when he lived out there says it is incredible to see respect on roads and respect for rules but there is very little diversity there so people all kinda think and do same stuff so maybe lends itself well to controlling it

It's a great spot but my experience doesn't match what you say. I was there 3 times in 2020 and I don't think people cared too much. The bubble is what's protected them. All I'm saying is if I'm going to be locked down, I'd rather do it in the woods on a lake where we have property out there (bought from my parents). Keep in mind these lockdowns aren't going away for a long time. If they put in a "temporary" curfew, don't expect it to go away after a month. I'm probably wrong about everything.

 

[Pink Mist]

Death rate among COVID-19 patients nearly three times higher than influenza, study suggests

Here, you can read examples of a studies for yourself:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext

Comparative evaluation of clinical manifestations and risk of death in patients admitted to hospital with covid-19 and seasonal influenza: cohort study

 

[Muston Atthews]

Death rate among COVID-19 patients nearly three times higher than influenza, study suggests

Here, you can read examples of a studies for yourself:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext

Comparative evaluation of clinical manifestations and risk of death in patients admitted to hospital with covid-19 and seasonal influenza: cohort study

thanks. I look forward to looking at some numbers in a few months which show Influenza mortality rates over the past year vs COVID-19 mortality rates vs influenza mortality rates in the past few years.

from what I read these numbers aren’t available for a month or two after the new year has started.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

thanks. I look forward to looking at some numbers in a few months which show Influenza mortality rates over the past year vs COVID-19 mortality rates vs influenza mortality rates in the past few years.

from what I read these numbers aren’t available for a month or two after the new year has started.

The number of cases of influenza this year is irrelevant. The numbers are dramatically down because of the precautions that have been taken for covid (masks, handwashing, social distancing). It just goes to show how contagious Covid really is

 

[nsleaf]

Great spot to go ... people from there have got this thing under control ... and as i understand it they all take it seriously but there is respect for all and life really about 6 foot distancing and masks and it is under control without change in livelihoods or schools ... my son when he lived out there says it is incredible to see respect on roads and respect for rules but there is very little diversity there so people all kinda think and do same stuff so maybe lends itself well to controlling it

I live in NS and have for most of my life, it's a little more diverse than you might think.
I can't really say why we have been able to keep numbers low, likely a combination of largely rural population(except Halifax area), mask mandate came into affect early last summer and people bought in immediately and still do and our geography(almost an island). Two week isolation is required to all visitors except PEI and NFLD. All stores/businesses are open with 50 % capacity, restaurants/bars were reopened to inside service this past Monday in the Halifax region.
That being said no one takes it for granted and know it could all go bad pretty rapidly,

 

[JT AM da real deal]

It's a great spot but my experience doesn't match what you say. I was there 3 times in 2020 and I don't think people cared too much. The bubble is what's protected them. All I'm saying is if I'm going to be locked down, I'd rather do it in the woods on a lake where we have property out there (bought from my parents). Keep in mind these lockdowns aren't going away for a long time. If they put in a "temporary" curfew, don't expect it to go away after a month. I'm probably wrong about everything.

Yeah I could see it lasting until late spring/summer which is a long time ... by that time most everyone will be hurt financially and likely been exposed ... i get being on a lake and remote to me its smart and much safer then being here

 

[Pink Mist]

thanks. I look forward to looking at some numbers in a few months which show Influenza mortality rates over the past year vs COVID-19 mortality rates vs influenza mortality rates in the past few years.

from what I read these numbers aren’t available for a month or two after the new year has started.

You don't need to wait, we can see from previous years, including the very deadly flu year of 2018, that COVID 19 is much more deadlier - which is what these articles show.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I live in NS and have for most of my life, it's a little more diverse than you might think.
I can't really say why we have been able to keep numbers low, likely a combination of largely rural population(except Halifax area), mask mandate came into affect early last summer and people bought in immediately and still do and our geography(almost an island). Two week isolation is required to all visitors except PEI and NFLD. All stores/businesses are open with 50 % capacity, restaurants/bars were reopened to inside service this past Monday in the Halifax region.
That being said no one takes it for granted and know it could all go bad pretty rapidly,

I was only a visitor for a week a few times so only saw da hockey people side of Hali but it was amazing. I felt like 1st day I was like one of gang. People there seem to take you right in. Things are more team oriented. Driving habits threw me off for 1st day. It is much different in TO which is more of an individual rat race. People in a rush to get where they are headed. Not as bad in COVID as everything in delay mode right now so most people are indoors where they live.

 

[Confucius]

it’s funny. Every single one of us is allowed to do what he is doing. Yet he’s going to be vilified for going on vacation. Just pure jealousy on the mobs part that they’re so scared of the virus that they don’t want to go so no one else is allowed to go. The stay at home thing is a guideline not a rule. But people are treating it as rule

Now on the other hand, the optics are terrible. You tell people to stay home and are even enforcing it through the police and you’re not even following your own guidelines.

why bother, lol.

 

[Muston Atthews]

I thought we were asked not to take unnecessary trips, especially out of country. I also don't think its a big deal especially if he isolates for 14 days when he gets back. Just goes to show how insane the "asks" are. Don't hang out with family at home if they don't live there.

yeah that’s what I mean. They ask us not to do these things. Doesn’t mean we’re not allowed to do it. People are just too afraid to and are now upset that other people are doing it. There’s no rule against it.

Horrible horrible optics and cancel culture will probably run it’s course here too.

 

[nsleaf]

It's a great spot but my experience doesn't match what you say. I was there 3 times in 2020 and I don't think people cared too much. The bubble is what's protected them. All I'm saying is if I'm going to be locked down, I'd rather do it in the woods on a lake where we have property out there (bought from my parents). Keep in mind these lockdowns aren't going away for a long time. If they put in a "temporary" curfew, don't expect it to go away after a month. I'm probably wrong about everything.

I have lived here for 55 + years. You would be wrong, people here in NS care a whole lot and realize that that it could all go to crap if we let our guard down.

 

[Confucius]

I have lived here for 55 + years. You would be wrong, people here in NS care a whole lot and realize that that it could all go to crap if we let our guard down.

Yep, my sister went to PEI this past summer. She had to isolate for 14 days once she got on the island and another 14 when she came back to Ontario.

 

[Jojalu]

yeah that’s what I mean. They ask us not to do these things. Doesn’t mean we’re not allowed to do it. People are just too afraid to and are now upset that other people are doing it. There’s no rule against it.

Horrible horrible optics and cancel culture will probably run it’s course here too.

This is true. It is not against the law to tavel, only recommended. I have zero issue with those who choose to travel if the follow the guidelines.

I do however have a problem with elected officials who wrote it into policy and come out all the time telling people not to do anything not deemed essential travel and pretend they are not.

There is so much disinformation already, and people are having a difficult time figuring out what the hell is going on. The government has been caught lying to us, and this nonsense just makes everyrhing worse.

 

[gnr25]

Yep, my sister went to PEI this past summer. She had to isolate for 14 days once she got on the island and another 14 when she came back to Ontario.

What job does she have that she had to isolate when returning to Ontario?

 

[Confucius]

What job does she have that she had to isolate when returning to Ontario?

She works in healthcare, in her younger days she worked as an RN. Thats about all I care to say.

 

[Pookie]

You nailed it right there. Some posters also complain about "ignorance", but use every trick possible to stifle proper debate (debate and critical thought should decrease our ignorance). Shaming and mind reading being their two weapons of choice.

I personally think this thread is amazing! I've learned more from both sides of the aisle than any article I've read anywhere.

I think using the term “both sides of the aisle” is dangerous.

Totally fine with people debating ways to contain viral spread.

But it’s not fine to equate data and science with anti-mask rhetoric.

I believe you didn’t mean the latter.