Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X

[Nineteen67]

Yeah I heard that as well, the Americans are treating the snowbirds the same as the citizens. Pretty cool.

Not cool, actually. There’s more to it than just poking a needle into someone. You have track where, when, who, and what vaccine they received. Furthermore, they have monitor patients for 1/2 hour after they inoculated and with protocols you have to have space for people.
If and when they get every at risk person inoculated, then open it up, but not now.

 

[Nineteen67]

If they spend their winters there, why not would you rather have them spreading covid around?

Don’t let them in.

 

[Confucius]

Not cool, actually. There’s more to it than just poking a needle into someone. You have track where, when, who, and what vaccine they received. Furthermore, they have monitor patients for 1/2 hour after they inoculated and with protocols you have to have space for people.
If and when they get every at risk person inoculated, then open it up, but not now.

Alright maybe I'm a little confused here, I guess I should have read more carefully. If people just fly down for a shot and leave in 2 weeks that's wrong, I agree. If the people spend every winter down there and own a residence I see nothing wrong with it,

 

[Scion]

while you look forward to data that you likely won’t understand and misinterpret let me remind you of the differences between the two.

The Flu:

1. Most contagious 3 days after the onset of symptoms.

2. No asymptomatic spread

3. Annual vaccine available taken by 15 million Canadian adults last year

4. Anti-viral therapeutics available

Covid-19

1. Most contagious 3 days BEFORE symptoms emerge

2. One of the only corona viruses to be transmissible in asymptomatic individuals

3. Until a few days ago, no vaccine. No vaccine available for the general public for months

4. Very few treatment options available.

now, we can all wait with baited breath until you review the data or we can just go with what the medical community tells us right now based on all the evidence.... this disease is deadly and has already killed more Canadians than the annual flu and we are not even through a full year.

so respectfully, just stop with the farcical argument.

As someone with multiple physicians in my family I can honestly say that the vast majority of people without a medical education are likely to misinterpret and misunderstand medical data. There is a reason that there is so much misinformation being spread. Alot of this stuff is difficult to make sense of even for intelligent and medically well versed individuals.

It's hardly an insult to tell someone that they are unlikely to understand data on this subject. Furthermore, it makes you come across as condescending, if not downright delusional to think that you are better qualified to interpret medical data.

 

[Pookie]

As someone with multiple physicians in my family I can honestly say that the vast majority of people without a medical education are likely to misinterpret and misunderstand medical data. There is a reason that there is so much misinformation being spread. Alot of this stuff is difficult to make sense of even for intelligent and medically well versed individuals.

It's hardly an insult to tell someone that they are unlikely to understand data on this subject. Furthermore, it makes you come across as condescending, if not downright delusional to think that you are better qualified to interpret medical data.

hold up, I’m not offering medical advice.

I’m saying follow the medical advice.

Challenging others who are professing to know more than our experts and suggesting to do the opposite. Like visit other households over the holidays. Question mitigation efforts in the community. That sort of thing.

Seems if you really believe what you say, you’d have more of an issue with those that go against the medical experts.

no?

 

[Nineteen67]

Alright maybe I'm a little confused here, I guess I should have read more carefully. If people just fly down for a shot and leave in 2 weeks that's wrong, I agree. If the people spend every winter down there and own a residence I see nothing wrong with it,

They don’t all own property and they don’t have a social security number.
Either way there are Canadian citizens, for example NHL hockey players, living and working in the US are not allowed to go to Canada and do their job because the Canadian government won’t allow them.

Elderly Canadians should remain in Canada and not venture to Florida until they are a threat to themselves and to the health care facilities that would have to care for them if they got sick.

 

[Pookie]

Again, you made that entire post up. I most certainly wear a mask more than you on a daily and weekly basis. I keep my distance. I never once expressed desire to defy guidelines for private gatherings.

I laugh when I ask someone for a source for a claim theyre making and they make it so difficult for such a simple request. I laugh when people jump to assuming I do this or that because I don’t just take things at face value or want to look further into what they’re looking at.

Would I rather not have to wear a mask, watch small businesses close down and not see my grandmother for a year? Yes. Do I still do them? Yes.

Hats off to you for being in a position in your life where you have enough money to not have to worry about losing your job/business and where you can sit from atop your high horse and make assumptions about people who don’t agree exactly with how you think things should be done.

Hats off to you for only being concerned about ski hills being closed.

What really is laughable is you being completely wrong about everything you’ve said I do/have done in your last two posts directed at me. And you want to call me a troll

Re: not expressing a desire to defy guidelines... you don’t advocate for a Swedish approach with more freedoms?

This isn’t you?

So what you’re saying is Sweden is going through the exact same thing.... except with a bunch of added freedoms

This isn’t you either, advocating that we are “ruining the country for a small section of people? “

I bet the people who fought in Korea and WWII would rather have been able to hug/see/touch their family and risk getting COVID than be holed up in their house alone "in their glory years". You only see empathy for the older people who may or may not get affected by the disease... you don't see people who are seeing their livelihoods diminish before their eyes... their mental health deteriorating... their children growing up in a world where they are afraid to touch any and everything and will grow up with little to no social skills because of no school. You are preaching a holier than thou attitude when you can't even see the other side of it.

All you have is yourself. Ruining the long term future of the entire country for a small section of society does not seem forward thinking.

Or this isn’t you downplaying the discovery of a more communicable strain in Canada?

Time for more fear porn. I guess we're going to start counting this one separately than the regular COVID count to REALLY scare people

Aye mate. Nothing but quality. Well no ideas, insight or solutions but you are definitely accomplishing your goal.

 

[Confucius]

They don’t all own property and they don’t have a social security number.
Either way there are Canadian citizens, for example NHL hockey players, living and working in the US are not allowed to go to Canada and do their job because the Canadian government won’t allow them.

Elderly Canadians should remain in Canada and not venture to Florida until they are no threat to themselves and to the health care facilities that would have to care for them if they got sick.

Both governments should ban travel across the border, I agree with that.

Anyway you guys would never have to worry about me, I've only been across the border twice in my life and I'm 65. Once to Washington on a school trip and once just hopped over the border from Niagara falls to buy a case of beer. hey I was young thought it cool at the time. Border guard asks how long were you in the U S for? I say 30 minutes, lol.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Re: not expressing a desire to defy guidelines... you don’t advocate for a Swedish approach with more freedoms?

This isn’t you?



This isn’t you either, advocating that we are “ruining the country for a small section of people? “



Or this isn’t you downplaying the discovery of a more communicable strain in Canada?



Aye mate. Nothing but quality. Well no ideas, insight or solutions but you are definitely accomplishing your goal.

1) I posted an article saying Sweden has similar case numbers and they are open. I’m not saying we should go against the guidelines we have, I was showing that there are similar consequences by using different methods. Quite the reach.

2) Pointing out there are negative consequences to what we are doing is downplaying that there is a disease? What? You just want to use tunnel vision and ignore any long term effects coming from what we are doing while looking strictly at what the disease is doing now.

3) Reeeeach.

You know you are capable of understanding the virus is deadly, follow the guidelines set by the government and still question those decisions and restrictions? Like, it is possible.

 

[Pookie]

1) I posted an article saying Sweden has similar case numbers and they are open. I’m not saying we should go against the guidelines we have, I was showing that there are similar consequences by using different methods. Quite the reach.

2) Pointing out there are negative consequences to what we are doing is downplaying that there is a disease? What? You just want to use tunnel vision and ignore any long term effects coming from what we are doing while looking strictly at what the disease is doing now.

3) Reeeeach.

You know you are capable of understanding the virus is deadly, follow the guidelines set by the government and still question those decisions and restrictions? Like, it is possible.

you’ve got no solutions mate. Nothing to add.

you know exactly what you are doing.
Right?

 

[Muston Atthews]

you’ve got no solutions mate. Nothing to add.

you know exactly what you are doing.
Right?

None of us have solutions. Not even you. Is that really the point you’re trying to make? Why are you here if you’re not willing to discuss anything?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

They have a hierarchy of who gets vaccinated, health care workers, emergency workers, 75+, 65+ , chronic conditions, etc.... Having people from other countries come in and get vaccinated ahead of the citizens and current residence is jumping the queue. Retired, 65+ yr old Canadians, currently living in Canada, should not be getting vaccinated in Florida.

Ah, you were looking at it from an American perspective. Understood and I agree.

 

[Pookie]

None of us have solutions. Not even you. Is that really the point you’re trying to make? Why are you here if you’re not willing to discuss anything?

yes. The medical community has solutions.

Wear a mask. Wash hands. Socially distance. Avoid high risk indoor places. High risk places may not operate without restriction. Don’t have gatherings outside your immediate household. Take a vaccine when it’s your turn.

my solution is to follow the advice and do my part. Not rail against it or contribute the spread of disinformation and lack of compliance to the rules.

if you’ve got a better idea.... the floor is yours.

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

Paul Ghezzi, Ceo of Kontrol Technologies, has developed a device that runs as a Airborne Viral detector.. for numerous virus.

Tracks covid19 so well.. that people can be alerted to leave the area before enough of the virus has spread... almost 0 reporting on this

Smaller the room the more effective.

Kontrolbiocloud.com

Made in Canada and developed out of Vaughn Ontario..

Literally 100% effective.. all chemical based processed by airflow.

 

[Confucius]

Paul Ghezzi, Ceo of Kontrol Technologies, has developed a device that runs as a Airborne Viral detector.. for numerous virus.

Tracks covid19 so well.. that people can be alerted to leave the area before enough of the virus has spread... almost 0 reporting on this

Smaller the room the more effective.

Kontrolbiocloud.com

Made in Canada and developed out of Vaughn Ontario..

Literally 100% effective.. all chemical based processed by airflow.

That's awesome, I guess it would be possible to have a portable type made similar to a breathalyzer. May be the wave of the future, blow into the device in order to gain entry.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Paul Ghezzi, Ceo of Kontrol Technologies, has developed a device that runs as a Airborne Viral detector.. for numerous virus.

Tracks covid19 so well.. that people can be alerted to leave the area before enough of the virus has spread... almost 0 reporting on this

Smaller the room the more effective.

Kontrolbiocloud.com

Made in Canada and developed out of Vaughn Ontario..

Literally 100% effective.. all chemical based processed by airflow.

Thanks for sharing. Technology like this is how we come out of the pandemic better then we went in. Technologies that can detect disease in the air, better filtration, ect. Ways to keep us healthier then before.

This year is going to be a vaccine shit show, but I can see a company like Kontrol doing well for a long time.

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

Thanks for sharing. Technology like this is how we come out of the pandemic better then we went in. Technologies that can detect disease in the air, better filtration, ect. Ways to keep us healthier then before.


This year is going to be a vaccine shit show, but I can see a company like Kontrol doing well for a long time.

The company announced today that it is in some capacity compatible with HVAC system

 

[Pookie]

Paul Ghezzi, Ceo of Kontrol Technologies, has developed a device that runs as a Airborne Viral detector.. for numerous virus.

Tracks covid19 so well.. that people can be alerted to leave the area before enough of the virus has spread... almost 0 reporting on this

Smaller the room the more effective.

Kontrolbiocloud.com

Made in Canada and developed out of Vaughn Ontario..

Literally 100% effective.. all chemical based processed by airflow.

Go Canada.

really cool product.

In reading their statements, looks like this costs about $12,000 USD per unit. Units are plugged into the wall and are standalone.

though hvac integration looks possible. I assume that’s a custom installation and build but could be wrong.

Canadian-made SARS-CoV-2 detector set to ship worldwide

I’m not sure how many units you would need to cover a single school of hospital or LTC home. No real insight into how much area it would reliably cover.

looks like their are looking for about 5,000 units sold across North America, Australia and New Zealand in the coming year as per their distribution agreement.

Hopefully they can get the per unit cost down in short order. As it stands, I don’t think there will be much adoption between now and the fall when the vaccine supposedly kicks in.

Fantastic technology though. Good on them for developing this.

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

Go Canada.

really cool product.

In reading their statements, looks like this costs about $12,000 USD per unit. Units are plugged into the wall and are standalone.

Canadian-made SARS-CoV-2 detector set to ship worldwide

I’m not sure how many units you would need to cover a single school of hospital or LTC home. No real insight into how much area it would reliably cover.

looks like their are looking for about 5,000 units sold across North America, Australia and New Zealand in the coming year as per their distribution agreement.

Hopefully they can get the per unit cost down in short order. As it stands, I don’t think there will be much adoption between now and the fall when the vaccine supposedly kicks in.

Fantastic technology though. Good on them for developing this.

Mcdonalds was using a side employee entrance, those tiny entry rooms, and screening employees before shift as a pilot. Right in London Ontario

 

[Confucius]

Mcdonalds was using a side employee entrance, those tiny entry rooms, and screening employees before shift as a pilot. Right in London Ontario

any info on how long the person had to stay in the room?

 

[Scion]

hold up, I’m not offering medical advice.

I’m saying follow the medical advice.

Challenging others who are professing to know more than our experts and suggesting to do the opposite. Like visit other households over the holidays. Question mitigation efforts in the community. That sort of thing.

Seems if you really believe what you say, you’d have more of an issue with those that go against the medical experts.

no?

You are pretending that the medical advice is all in agreement on one position which just so happens to be your position. That is false, there is actually quite a bit of conflicting medical advice and opinions on the matter which is not all that uncommon.

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

any info on how long the person had to stay in the room?

So depending on how a business wants to incorporate it.. IE Nurse, PSW get cleared before shifts in LTC.

Schools... I guess to save cost you just run one in any given school through HVAC ventilation type systems to track where the disease is spreading from.

OES INC does scoreboards for the NHL I was kind of hoping the NHL would support the safe space technology for their bubbles. They're building the devices for Kontrol.

The biggest cost here tho is they need a replacement chamber. But if you consider how many single tests would be used per person. So long as you are clearing 30+ people before an alert the cost would be equivalent..

 

[Pookie]

Mcdonalds was using a side employee entrance, those tiny entry rooms, and screening employees before shift as a pilot. Right in London Ontario

That’s awesome. The concept is fantastic.

Their challenge is going to be the short term business model. Can you convince enough places to buy as many as they need for what may only be a year of usage?

If you had to have one in each classroom for example, there is really only 6 months left in the school year. At $12k a pop, that’s about $290k per school.

If we get to a level of vaccination whereby herd immunity exists, the virus will no longer require restrictions. Vaccinated people can eat and drink without worry.

All of that said, I’d invest as a long term play.

I think their patents are incredibly important. There will be another virus.

And having a go to like this could help control the spread in a variety of locations and lessen the economic impact right from the outset. As you get scale, you could bring this to homes and cars and transportation.

Being able to identify infected and safe environments is always a good thing.

hopefully, I get to cross paths with this company and inventors in the future. Would be an extremely interesting experience.

 

[Pookie]

So depending on how a business wants to incorporate it.. IE Nurse, PSW get cleared before shifts in LTC.

Schools... I guess to save cost you just run one in any given school through HVAC ventilation type systems to track where the disease is spreading from.

OES INC does scoreboards for the NHL I was kind of hoping the NHL would support the safe space technology for their bubbles. They're building the devices for Kontrol.

If it is currently sold as a plug in wall unit... could you really just use one of those as part of an entire building’s HVAC system?

they are recommending one unit to cover 1,500 feet of space.

any idea?

 

[Scion]

Seems if you really believe what you say, you’d have more of an issue with those that go against the medical experts.

no?

My issue is with nonsensical lockdown protocols that are alleged to protect the community. If the goal is as stated, to slow the spread of the virus than why are small and medium sized businesses being forced to shut down while a large retailer like Walmart is allowed to stay open? The only thing that accomplishes, besides strengthening Walmart's monopoly, is that a larger group of people will congregate in a smaller number of spaces which is counter productive to the governments stated goal.

The same logic or lack thereof was evident when some municipalities were locked down while neighboring municipalities were kept open. Residents just took their business to the next closest open city. Don't even get me started about politicians and medical experts who have been caught breaking the protocols they either directly helped to enact or publicly supported.

Moreover, despite all of the continued shut downs the spread of the virus continues to rise. At a certain point you really have to question what the f*** is going on.