Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns
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The Hanging Jowl
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"the rapid tests work so well then outbreaks shouldn't be happening."
Because we haven't been using them. That's my whole point.
The spread is mostly irrelevant at this point. Sorry, probably not what people want to hear but we have to be realistic.
Where it spreads and who it spreads to is what is important. Again, hospitalizations and deaths are the only two metrics that matter.
This is ridiculous. Influenza cases are down over 95%. You said earlier that this is due to people wearing masks and social distancing. But COVID continues to rise and you blame your fellow man for not following the rules? I’m so tired of the gaslighting.
Where it spreads and who it spreads to is what is important. Again, hospitalizations and deaths are the only two metrics that matter.
This is ridiculous. Influenza cases are down over 95%. You said earlier that this is due to people wearing masks and social distancing. But COVID continues to rise and you blame your fellow man for not following the rules? I’m so tired of the gaslighting.
You just said that to enter homes you must have a test. So if that's happening why are outbreaks still happening there.
Because covid is much more contagious than influenza and still not enough people are following covid guidelines. Some application of these measures is enough to quell the flu but not enough to quell covid
Not denying that COVID is more contagious, but you can’t say people aren’t doing their part when the flu has been almost completely eradicated. That’s a remarkable achievement, but not enough for many of these authoritarians.
Government loves to point fingers and shame small businesses and fellow citizens, and many miraculously get on board with that despite them botching their response form day one. You see those people in the FaceBook comments clamouring for more lockdowns. Clown world.
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I’m not sure how they can decide that a patient doesn’t receive treatment based on expense.
The Hanging Jowl
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I never said it's already happening, I said that's what needs to happen. I'm starting to have a bad feeling about you.
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Mickey Marner
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What a shitshow. Going on for years too it seems. I'd gladly skimp elsewhere in order to fund life-saving procedures/meds.
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This is why working class people don’t want Government run single payer insurance here.
I knew they did it with elderly surgeries, like hip and knees, but I’ve never heard of that for young people.
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Sounds like they’re doing a good job. How does it compare to the bad flu of 2017/18?
In case anyone is interested here is more on the Covid mutation.
Synopsis.
1. We do need to watch something like this UK mutation (btw, the South Africa mutation is a different mutation, so they are watching that one closely too).
2. The immune response the Pfizer / Moderna vaccines are producing is so powerful that it will likely take a large set of mutations for the virus to evade them in a significant way. However, smaller drops in efficacy would not be unexpected.
3. Over time, we likely will have to update the vaccine to include newer variants. But this is not influenza in terms of how fast and specific the virus is mutating in a way that is likely to evade the vaccines.
Most experts are using this to remind people why the other steps we are taking are so important (staying in your bubble especially). The more bodies the virus has a change to infect, the more mutations you would expect to find. Don't let the virus win the lottery by having so many tickets. So sure, you may recover just fine, but maybe your body was an incubator for a problematic mutation. This one, they think might have been from a patient who had a longer, chronic infection. Stop the spread, stop the mutations. But you can already hear the howling from the "rooting for the virus" people about how nothing we do will matter, and it's just government trying to scare people.
Synopsis.
1. We do need to watch something like this UK mutation (btw, the South Africa mutation is a different mutation, so they are watching that one closely too).
2. The immune response the Pfizer / Moderna vaccines are producing is so powerful that it will likely take a large set of mutations for the virus to evade them in a significant way. However, smaller drops in efficacy would not be unexpected.
3. Over time, we likely will have to update the vaccine to include newer variants. But this is not influenza in terms of how fast and specific the virus is mutating in a way that is likely to evade the vaccines.
Most experts are using this to remind people why the other steps we are taking are so important (staying in your bubble especially). The more bodies the virus has a change to infect, the more mutations you would expect to find. Don't let the virus win the lottery by having so many tickets. So sure, you may recover just fine, but maybe your body was an incubator for a problematic mutation. This one, they think might have been from a patient who had a longer, chronic infection. Stop the spread, stop the mutations. But you can already hear the howling from the "rooting for the virus" people about how nothing we do will matter, and it's just government trying to scare people.
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Influenza and covid are not the same virus. Please stop comparing them! And it is absolutely false that the flu has been nearly eradicated.
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Most aren't comparing the flu to covid straight up but if you have a better indicator for how the current lockdowns and health measures are working, I'd like to hear it. It's also the most commonly spread virus in Canada with the best and most understood data. If you have a better comparative, let's have it.
Oh really?
WHO's data shows flu almost non-existent this year:
WHO FLUMART OUTPUTS
Canada's data, flu cases this year:
Same time last year:
This despite "elevated testing" this year for the flu.
Source:
FluWatch report: December 6, 2020 to December 12, 2020 (week 50) - Canada.ca
So you, uh, may wanna rethink that.
Where we are with leaving things somewhat more open is higher number of cases and a slow rise in hospitalizations with not much change in the age demographics of deaths or having a huge increase in deaths.
Also why are we overlooking the fact that if you look at the percentage of cases that we're finding positive is similar or lower than the first wave, that testing many times more than we did for the first wave will obviously find more cases without the positivity rate being significantly higher?
During the 1st wave, the positivity rate was anywhere between 3-8% and now in the 2nd wave we're about the same or lower with most days ranging from 3-5% positivity rate. The difference is that we're testing orders of magnitude higher where in the 1st wave we were almost never testing more than 20,000 per day and now we're often testing 40,000-60,000 per day.
So if the amount of testing is dramatically higher, but the positivity rate is as low or lower than the 1st wave, then isn't it obvious that we're simply getting more positive cases because we're doing more testing? That outside of certain areas like Brampton or something that things aren't near as bad as the media, experts and our leaders would have us believe? What if we went back to testing 20k per day again if the positivity rate remains the same or lower, wouldn't our case numbers not signficantly drop again?
The thing is this whole issue of 'hospitals being overwhelmed by virus patients' has always been A COMPLETE LIE. Do a search and you'll see that doctors and other medical personal have been complaining about hospital capacity for years now, so this has hardly been a new issue and I doubt that an extra 1,000 covid patients spread across Ontario's 384 hospitals is going to 'overwhelm' Ontario's medical system.
In fact if Ontario did what I suggested and simply treated all covid patients at designated covid hospitals, you could probably only fill up 10-15 decent sized hospitals with patients given that we're at about 900 or so right now and allow the rest of the 360+ hospitals resume normal operation and treat non-covid patients.
The way our politicians, medical experts and media talk about it, you would think that all our hospitals were mostly empty of patients until the pandemic hit and now they're bursting with covid patients when its been the EXACT OPPOSITE. IE hospitals have always had high occupancy rates and covid patients have been and still are only a tiny percentage of all hospital patients to date, but of course no one ever wants to mention THOSE kinds of facts.
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Covid is a different animal, I recommend you watch the video to see what really goes on in the background.
My daughter is a nurse, she can attest that this is the new norm. She is exhausted both mentally and physically and not a day goes by that I don't fear for her safety.
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Craig Button
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the Flu has not been eradicated.
Not even close.
It’s just not being reported on.
In Canada it is reported by volunteers.
Also testing is rarely done for the flu. More tests have been done for covid in 2 weeks in Canada than the flu was ever tested since Canada started testing for the flu over25 years ago.
The flu will never be eradicated.
The Hanging Jowl
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The flu has not been eradicated. Other than that, pretty much everything else in your post is false. In normal years, the flu is the most tested for virus in Canada. And they are testing more than normal this year.
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