Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns

[Pink Mist]

Well at least you admit the people you linked to weren't even talking about Canada. How last year our deficit was 20 billion, which may not have been to big a concern. This year we added pretty close to 400 billion. Some of us find that alarming.

The philosophy behind the national debts is the same, which is what the article is about

 

[Confucius]

The philosophy behind the national debts is the same, which is what the article is about

Well then as your man Krugman stated, debt is ok if we are building something. We just incurred 20 years worth this year, based on last year's numbers and we built S F A, we just gave it away.

Dont worry be happy

 

[Pink Mist]

Well then as your man Krugman stated, debt is ok if we are building something. We just incurred 20 years worth this year, based on last year's numbers and we built S F A, we just gave it away.

Dont worry be happy

Spending money on health care against a pandemic is investing in the future, as are stimulus packages for individuals and small businesses

 

[yubbers]

Spending money on health care against a pandemic is investing in the future, as are stimulus packages for individuals and small businesses

The government is literally the one responsible for bankrupting small businesses and individuals. You expect them to say 'thanks for investing in my future'?

 

[Pink Mist]

The government is literally the one responsible for bankrupting small businesses and individuals. You expect them to say 'thanks for investing in my future'?

I think you don't understand what 'stimulus' means. It's cash to prevent bankruptcy. And it's better than no support at all in a pandemic.

 

[yubbers]

I think you don't understand what 'stimulus' means. It's cash to prevent bankruptcy. And it's better than no support at all in a pandemic.

Are you under the impression nobody has gone bankrupt or no small businesses have shut down forever? Of course you're not. You know full well these lockdowns have ruined ppl.

You're literally praising the ppl that created this problem by applauding their wreckless spending. How bout let ppl get back to making a living. A basic charter right.

 

[Pink Mist]

Are you under the impression nobody has gone bankrupt or no small businesses have shut down forever? Of course you're not. You know full well these lockdowns have ruined ppl.

You're literally praising the ppl that created this problem by applauding their wreckless spending. How bout let ppl get back to making a living. A basic charter right.

The alternatives are either to:

1) have no covid restrictions which jeopardizes the health of the population and likely results in a strain on the health care system

or 2) have restrictions but no financial support which would result in mass bankruptcy and would be a lot more damaging than an inflated national debt.

 

[yubbers]

That's a lot of likelies. They keep telling us the hospitals will be overrun and it never happens. They just started again to scare you for Christmas. We're down total deaths in Ontario on the year. DOWN.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310078501

 

[Pink Mist]

That's a lot of likelies. They keep telling us the hospitals will be overrun and it never happens. They just started again to scare you for Christmas. We're down total deaths in Ontario on the year. DOWN.

They are at risk of being overrun. If you've spent any time in a hospital recently or know anyone who works in the health care industry you could see that. And I don't see any evidence to suggest deaths are down this year but whatever. If that were the case I think it would be because covid restrictions have A) worked to prevent covid deaths and B) they lower the likelihood of other deaths such as car accidents, flu deaths etc since

 

[Bomber0104]

Are you under the impression nobody has gone bankrupt or no small businesses have shut down forever? Of course you're not. You know full well these lockdowns have ruined ppl.

You're literally praising the ppl that created this problem by applauding their wreckless spending. How bout let ppl get back to making a living. A basic charter right.

Maybe there were too many boutique shops and designer cupcake makers in the first place?

Businesses that close or can't survive a pandemic probably didn't have enough roots grounded in the first place.

There's an underlying risk in any business venture you take and global pandemics are one of them.

That's life.

In the next 100 years if humanity continues on its current trajectory, we're likely looking at additional pandemics as well as climate issues/peak oil concerns.

 

[yubbers]

They are at risk of being overrun. If you've spent any time in a hospital recently or know anyone who works in the health care industry you could see that. And I don't see any evidence to suggest deaths are down this year but whatever. If that were the case I think it would be because covid restrictions have A) worked to prevent covid deaths and B) they lower the likelihood of other deaths such as car accidents, flu deaths etc since

They've been saying that for a year now. Credibility is still a thing Basically, whatever CBC says the opposite is true. I've been at Mt Sinai pretty often this month. Seems no different than usual minus entering the joint.

 

[yubbers]

Maybe there were too many boutique shops and designer cupcake makers in the first place?

Businesses that close or can't survive a pandemic probably didn't have enough roots grounded in the first place.

There's an underlying risk in any business venture you take and global pandemics are one of them.

That's life.

Wow. I dare you to say any of that to someone that lost their small business at no fault of their own. The government it ILLEGAL to operate. But of course, your lease still needs to be paid. That's plain insane. You actually consider parts of the population are disposable. As long as it's not you. You're on a very slippery slope dude. Take a step back.

 

[Pink Mist]

I don't really get the point of "deaths are down this year!" because if anything it shows that these restrictions have worked

 

[Bomber0104]

Wow. I dare you to say any of that to someone that lost their small business at no fault of their own. The government it ILLEGAL to operate. But of course, your lease still needs to be paid. That's plain insane. You actually consider parts of the population are disposable. As long as it's not you. You're on a very slippery slope dude. Take a step back.

You're considering parts of the population disposable too, no?

The do-nothing approach results in scores of avoidable deaths, according to basically every epidemiological study out there...

Are businesses worth more than human life in your opinion?

I expect your answer is probably different than a nurse who has to prioritize critical care.

Or the families of those who lost loved ones who "at no fault of their own" simply had co-morbidities that they were born with.

 

[yubbers]

I don't really get the point of "deaths are down this year!" because if anything it shows that these restrictions have worked

We shut down the economy in order to be on track with average annual deaths? You think that helps you how? Why are we shutting down again if lockdowns worked?

 

[Pink Mist]

Wow. I dare you to say any of that to someone that lost their small business at no fault of their own. The government it ILLEGAL to operate. But of course, your lease still needs to be paid. That's plain insane. You actually consider parts of the population are disposable. As long as it's not you. You're on a very slippery slope dude. Take a step back.

You're the one who's saying that a virus which has already killed thousands and Canada and millions worldwide is no big deal, and you're trying to take about disposable populations?

 

[Pink Mist]

We shut down the economy in order to be on track with average annual deaths? You think that helps you how? Why are we shutting down again if lockdowns worked?

Because you can see the alternative just south of us in the US to the death rate if the virus is left uncontrolled without these restrictions

 

[yubbers]

You're considering parts of the population disposable too, no?

The do-nothing approach results in scores of avoidable deaths.

Are businesses worth more than human life in your opinion?

No I don't. Nice try though I think people should have the choice to open their business and you should have a choice to go or not.

People die all the time man. Welcome to reality. The difference now vs the past is you weren't addicted to a phone that force-fed you fear 24/7

You literally just said 'Maybe there were too many boutique shops and designer cupcake makers in the first place?'

eeesh. Lemme guess....you still getting paid? Your income didn't skip a beat did it?

 

[yubbers]

Because you can see the alternative just south of us in the US to the death rate if the virus is left uncontrolled without these restrictions

uncontrolled without restrictions? Bahahahaha. NYC is one of the hardest ht and Cuomo locked that down like crazy.

 

[Bomber0104]

No I don't. Nice try though I think people should have the choice to open their business and you should have a choice to go or not.

People die all the time man. Welcome to reality. The difference now vs the past is you weren't addicted to a phone that force-fed you fear 24/7

You literally just said 'Maybe there were too many boutique shops and designer cupcake makers in the first place?'

eeesh. Lemme guess....you still getting paid? Your income didn't skip a beat did it?

My line of work is essential.

So no it didn't.

My experience doesn't affect my outlook on what is right or wrong.

 

[Pink Mist]

No I don't. Nice try though I think people should have the choice to open their business and you should have a choice to go or not.

People die all the time man. Welcome to reality. The difference now vs the past is you weren't addicted to a phone that force-fed you fear 24/7

You literally just said 'Maybe there were too many boutique shops and designer cupcake makers in the first place?'

eeesh. Lemme guess....you still getting paid? Your income didn't skip a beat did it?

You literally do it in the next paragraph...

 

[yubbers]

You're the one who's saying that a virus which has already killed thousands and Canada and millions worldwide is no big deal, and you're trying to take about disposable populations?

When did I say it wasn't a big deal? Sorry for not screaming and running around the room like a crazy person. I'm showing you stats that say it's not that bad. We basically cured influenza somehow as well. Because they're calling it Covid. Can we please stop pretending lockdowns don't have repercussions as well?

 

[yubbers]

My line of work is essential.

So no it didn't.

My experience doesn't affect my outlook on what is right or wrong.

There it is. You're essential but others aren't.
Let that sink in. Brown Shirts used to say the same thing. Your cringe intesnifies.

 

[Pink Mist]

When did I say it wasn't a big deal? Sorry for not screaming and running around the room like a crazy person. I'm showing you stats that say it's not that bad. We basically cured influenza somehow as well. Because they're calling it Covid. Can we please stop pretending lockdowns don't have repercussions as well?

People die all the time man. Welcome to reality. The difference now vs the past is you weren't addicted to a phone that force-fed you fear 24/7

 

[yubbers]

You literally do it in the next paragraph...

I wasn't aware your parents never told you old ppl die all the time.
have a seat on my knee and we'll chat :p