Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns
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Bomber0104
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I don't think a hot sauce shop in downtown Burlington is as essential as supplying almost all our grocers which are being left open during lockdown.
Yeah it was featured on the Hot Ones one time but sorry, society will survive without it..
yubbers
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I get it. You're more important than the disposable ppl. Stop talking bro for your own sake. Man......
How exactly is saying "people die all the time. welcome to reality" not saying that their deaths aren't a big deal?
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yubbers
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Bec
People do die all the time.
That doesn't mean cancer isn't serious.
I walked into it today. :p
Cause they're 2 completely different sentences. *looks around*
People do die all the time.
That doesn't mean cancer isn't serious.
I walked into it today. :p
Bomber0104
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How has the pandemic affected you personally?
I'd like to know because I have a feeling this is a very personal issue for you that you're trying to express here...
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Hasn't really financially. I left my retail job to start my own project online so i was planning for a real frugal 2years anyways. The timing was actually pretty crazy perfect. I also don't live above my means which helps. But socially we've all made sacrifice.
Heaven forbid I feel for ppl getting ruined by the government. Try putting yourself in other ppls shoes. Like ppl taking 2nd mortgages to float their small business. Risking it all. And you shit on them while sacrificing and risking nothing financially by cheering on lock downs.
Bomber0104
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Well I'm happy everything is OK with you but as far as this debate is concerned it seems as though you're prioritizing the survival of businesses above the survival of people, and not just people but vulnerable people...
This thread is funny for me because a lot of people whose opinions on Leafs matters I agree with and respect are on a totally different side on the argument of Covid/public health/policy...
You're another one now!
keonsbitterness
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Was one of the hardest hit. From July until now, most of the states hardest hit have been those with Republican governors.
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Image saving your whole life to open that restaurant you always wanted. Depleting all your liquidity and likely taking loans to get the thing going......and 4 months in you have the government do what they did. You're already broke getting her going. You planned for cash flow naturally. Not a pit of lease and utility debt.
Your life savings POOF....gone just like that through no fault of your own.
Your life savings POOF....gone just like that through no fault of your own.
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No. I just talk about the other side of the coin everyone seems to be ignoring. Lock downs have very negative repercussions as well.
Bomber0104
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Pandemics are quite bad for humanity across the board.
There' might be a few winners but there's many, many more losers.
Most people are unaffected, or at least inconvenienced.
It's up to establishments to decide who loses (businesses/vulnerable demographics) and how (bankruptcies/evictions vs. preventable deaths)...
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
TBH restaurants flop all the time, so this really isn’t a good example. It’s a risky business.
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Lost of businesses flop but at the fault of the owner. Not the government.
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It's a very slippery slope. Especially coming from a government that literally just squashed an investigation into itself. It's hard to have any confidence in what the establishment is saying with all the crazy hypocrisy and flip-flopping imho.
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I don't care what letter they have in front of their name. What Cuomo did should have him in jail.
keonsbitterness
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I know someone that works with COVID patients in one of the largest hospitals in Ontario and that hasn’t been her experience.
Um... what? Not only is that an incredibly ignorant thing to say, it’s borderline sociopathic. There are plenty of businesses out there that people rely on to generate an income that are not considered to be “essential” by the government. It doesn’t mean they are invalid and don’t deserve a chance to thrive. Take gyms or fitness centres for example.
Bomber0104
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You and I have a different idea of what is essential and what isn't.
Can people exercise in the confines of their own property, yes or no?
I'm sorry, but gyms are a societal frill.
Run outside.
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When he ordered the sick Covid patients into old folks' homes.
You should learn to listen then. No one here is saying there shouldn’t be restrictions. No one here is saying to let people die. That’s ridiculous, just absurd.
The argument many are making here is that there is a more effective strategy than simply locking down and closing small businesses. A strategy, which realistically should’ve been implemented much sooner. The plan from the beginning should’ve been to focus on protecting the vulnerable and people that are most at-risk and basing a strategy with that as the central focus. They’ve had 9 months to develop an effective strategy, and nothing.
ULF_55
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I know people who have lost everything by thinking they could run a restaurant, years before COVID.
COVID is just another reason why you don't go all restaurant.
Most restaurants are just another ego trip.
keonsbitterness
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The Justice Dept could have but didn't because they know that the federal government's incompetence (issuing confusing or outright wrong directives to the states) would have received way too much attention. Cuomo had them by the cajones.
Your word/opinion is not law or fact, hell its not even based in reality. It’s a biased and ignorant perspective with not a shred of empathy. Anyone’s business that they depend on to feed themselves and their families is what I consider essential.
I’m not fooled by people that hold this perspective. They feel strict lockdowns are justified to “save lives”, and they feel that by holding this viewpoint it makes them inherently good. But they consistently ignore the dark side to these lockdowns. And instead of demanding a better and more effective strategy that accommodates everyone, or even just something better, they continue to dig their heels in and support the incompetence. We should all be demanding better.
“Run outside” this guy says.
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