The Hanging Jowl
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Emmy. Yeah, no idea what that was about. Shows how politicized this discussion is.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part IX- Now Featuring More Lockdowns
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Emmy. Yeah, no idea what that was about. Shows how politicized this discussion is.
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IMO the biggest problem is half measures. Doing enough to kill small business but not halt the virus is the problem. Strict short term lockdown and supporting business/individuals on the other end would be better, I think.
Man Bear Pig
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I'm a chef, and honestly, I'm tired of the media and public using us as some sort of pity party with this pandemic. We were always underpaid, overworked and got very little respect and nobody cared. Now everyone is crying? We'll survive, as we always have. Its hilarious to us that people are so sensitive about our industry suddenly, as we slave over our 500 degree stoves, making incredible food, yet you'll complain that there was a pinch too much of seasoning and tip next to nothing, if anything at all. Stop using us as pawns. Same with those who stock shelves at grocery stores or work at fast food joints. We've all been given a shit sandwich here, and we're all taking a big bite.
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Agreed. The unfortunate thing is i don't think the government has much of a plan beyond what you've explained. They are going to keep doing half measure and just wait for the vaccine to hopefully arrive in massive quantities. There is no real plan B or anything like that.
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Man Bear Pig
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Many posters in this thread who moan about small businesses and restaurants closing as if they're the only things impacted by the pandemic
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What's the pity party and how are you being used as pawns? Yes, the employees of such industries get shit on way more than they should or deserve. I stocked shelves in a grocery store before and my dad has worked in the restaurant industry his entire life -- I would know. If anything, this highlights the importance of the restaurant and grocery retailer industries and of its employees.
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The pity party is the media bringing up the industry every day. Just watch the news. And we're absolutely pawns right now. We're the puppies with Sarah Mclachlan playing in the background. We've become the tacky human interest story every day in the media.
The Hanging Jowl
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Had it occurred to you things are going to get much worse for you soon? I guarantee your wages aren't going to increase if half the industry goes out of business. And right now, that looks like a very real probability.
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I'm not sure if you're aware that most people, even people with plenty of experience, barely make above minimum wage. Sous chefs making $16/hr isn't unheard of.
The Hanging Jowl
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Sorry (honestly), that sucks. My point is, things won't be getting better. Unemployment will be a lot more likely than those wages improving if things keep going how they are.
His point is well taken. If people were actually concerned with factory workers and restaurants they would have been advocating for better living wages for these individuals.
case in point I work in construction. In April I was shutdown and everyone still working felt bad for me (society) saying how is that blue collar worker going to make it, the government is crushing him ect... since ive been rehired and construction industry is back I haven't heard those same people saying big construction companies should be paying me a bonus from their profits (record year for lots of construction companies) that those same companies should be increasing my vacation time and paid sick leave. Instead like the chef is saying we've been discarded since were working now and no need to feel sorry for the blue collar worker.
Really wish the middle and upper class (which im part of because of my spouse) wouldn't just use the blue collar to tarnish the government because if they really cared about us they would do more then just yell that the government is ruining everything. support a union, hire the more expensive but better quality firms, dont complain about road work delaying you ect..
I think lockdowns should end and we develop better testing like rapid tests and antibody tests. Clearly the population is done with lockdowns so lets find a safe alternative. If everyone started doing rapid tests id imagine it would work better than lockdowns
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I've said it before and so have many others... Lockdowns serve no purpose as long as people continue to gather in their private residences.
Ya, I’m not sure of the best way to tackle that. If the lockdowns in the GTA were justified, I don’t think it’s right that those people were traveling to other areas to shop, eat at restaurants, or whatever else they were doing. Defeats the purpose, and maybe something like that needs to be enforced somehow. Bomber mentioned that in Niagara businesses are asking for people to prove their place of residence. I think that’s a good practice at face value. I don’t think the spread outside the GTA warranted a province wide lockdown.
I was mostly ok with the regional restrictions overall. The colour codes were a good idea. Other than grey, most if not all businesses were allowed to continue to operate. But there needs to be some enforcement against those traveling to avoid certain restrictions. I think if you take care of that problem, we have the foundation set for a good response plan. But these blanket province wide lockdowns based on projection models that have been wayyyy off literally every single time, are simply ridiculous and do lasting harm.
I agree the regional approach works as long as you get people to stay in their region. There isn't enough police to patrol that. Its not just people to blame either. GTA has been in grey for awhile now and yet bus trips from Toronto to the outlet mall in Niagara is allowed.
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if there arent enough police i guess you could do a "co border patrol" as it were so toronto cops and peel cops jointly patrol there borders i guess. If the city of melbourne had enough cops to securely lockdown that city you'd have to assume GTA would have enough. Police work differently in Austrlia though, there is no melbourne cops and next region over cops, just Victoria police (statewide) so probably a lot easier to organize i guess
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We have the vaccine. Now there's a mutated strain just in time! Rinse and repeat.
I havn't heard one way or the other if the vaccine is still affective against the new strain, but if it isn't then all this is for naught..
72 hours of banning flights won't stop it for arriving here. Then as you say, we can start from scratch again
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Most likely the vaccine is effective against the new strain, but there is no 100% confirmation yet. As a vaccine works, there is general genetic drift which causes new strains (and can cause a vaccine to typically be less effective over time). It is believed (without confirmation), that the current vaccine will work for the new strain and that there might need to be research done to prevent another outbreak down the road by updating/altering the vaccine to prevent a different strain from causing a new outbreak.
While it is not ideal to see other strains popping up, it most likely isn't the doom & gloom scenario that some media outlets have portrayed it as. There are/were already 6 known strains of Covid-19 and the Covid-19 vaccine was developed to combat them all. Most of what I have read/seen states that genetic drift and mutations are still relatively low in Covid and not seen as a huge issue at this point in time.
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