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[My3Sons]

I can’t really watch Star Trek anymore but about once a year I can watch the Omega Glory episode. Peak Shatner and just great fun.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Halloween Ends was one of the dumbest movies I've seen in a long time. I wasn't expecting much so I had my expectations set low and woof this was way worse than I could have ever expected.

 

[My3Sons]

Halloween Ends was one of the dumbest movies I've seen in a long time. I wasn't expecting much so I had my expectations set low and woof this was way worse than I could have ever expected.

That’s exactly what a guy named Satan would want us to believe!!!!

 

[Bone Density]

Yeah, it was pretty stupid. I don't mind the swings but the execution was awful. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[Ripshot 43]

For any Squid Game fans out there, I started watching Alice in Boarderland and it gives me the same type vibe. 2+ episodes in so far and I’m liking it a lot.

 

[Scorcho]

How I met your mother still holds up (for the most part) over 10 years later

 

[Hisch13r]

Easily my least favorite HotD episode and it comes down to one major sticking point I have with one of the characters that just hung over the entire episode.

Edit: Also another pretty big issue I have with another character.

Edit 2: And another really dumb "spectacle" decision

 

[JK3]

Easily my least favorite HotD episode and it comes down to one major sticking point I have with one of the characters that just hung over the entire episode.

Edit: Also another pretty big issue I have with another character.

Edit 2: And another really dumb "spectacle" decision

Spoiler: Spoiler

Are you talking about making Alicent a victim all of a sudden?

What was the other issue?

Yeah I agree about the spectacle at the end too.

There was some other stuff I didn't like. Definitely my least favorite episode too, still ok, kinda hard to follow the last one but yeah.

 

[Darkauron]

Hotd episode wasn't that bad. But when the last episode was one of the greatest performances ever, it is hard to follow that up

 

[Hisch13r]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Are you talking about making Alicent a victim all of a sudden?

What was the other issue?

Yeah I agree about the spectacle at the end too.

There was some other stuff I didn't like. Definitely my least favorite episode too, still ok, kinda hard to follow the last one but yeah.

Spoiler: Spoiler

Yup. I can't stand what they're doing with Alicent and remove her agency. Alicent seemingly pushing for Aegon because it was Viserys wish rather than her doing it because it's what she has wanted to do for at least 16 years is dumb. The idea that the version they've established wouldn't have been involved in the plots makes no sense. Alicent should be at the forefront of the plot. Alicent should've been shown to understand that Viserys wasn't talking to her but she'd still use it an excuse. Instead she looks like an idiot and everyone sees that she's an idiot for legitimately buying the words of a delirious dying man. Especially a delirious dying man who has stood by Rhaenyra for 20 years and who just strutted out there while on deaths door in order to defend her. The removal of Alicent's agency to make her look "good" is a complete butchering of the character.

The other character issue I have is Aegon. Like there's a great sympathetic character there. He's gotten pushed into a position that he has never wanted by a mother who hates him and he also has a father who ignores him. The reception he got at his coronation was the first time he's legitimately felt loved. You could see how that love corrupts him and drives him to do awful things during the Dance in an effort to not lose his position and lose that love. Instead they've made him a rapist piece of shit that you just can't feel sympathy for.

Aegon and Alicent should be swapped. The sympathy felt for Alicent should be gone and she should be outright shitty. Aegon should be the sympathetic one.

Rhaneys being there to begin with doesn't even make sense. She obviously would've left when her granddaughters left. I guess if they needed to have Rhaenys verbally beat down Alicent then fine. In that case Erryk should've been shown to take Viserys and then they escape. Even could've kept an escape on Meleys but the idea that Rhanenys stares them down with Meleys and just leaves is weak as f*** to me. Rhaenys would burn the f*** out of them rather than put Baela and Rhaena in danger due to the impending war.

I enjoyed the stuff outside of those things and the ending but I feel so strongly about the character issues that it casts a massive shadow over the episode as a whole for me and it sucks because I've loved basically everything up until the miscommunication to finish off last episode. RIP to Lords Caswell and Beesbury. The best men.

 

[JK3]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Yup. I can't stand what they're doing with Alicent and remove her agency. Alicent seemingly pushing for Aegon because it was Viserys wish rather than her doing it because it's what she has wanted to do for at least 16 years is dumb. The idea that the version they've established wouldn't have been involved in the plots makes no sense. Alicent should be at the forefront of the plot. Alicent should've been shown to understand that Viserys wasn't talking to her but she'd still use it an excuse. Instead she looks like an idiot and everyone sees that she's an idiot for legitimately buying the words of a delirious dying man. Especially a delirious dying man who has stood by Rhaenyra for 20 years and who just strutted out there while on deaths door in order to defend her. The removal of Alicent's agency to make her look "good" is a complete butchering of the character.

The other character issue I have is Aegon. Like there's a great sympathetic character there. He's gotten pushed into a position that he has never wanted by a mother who hates him and he also has a father who ignores him. The reception he got at his coronation was the first time he's legitimately felt loved. You could see how that love corrupts him and drives him to do awful things during the Dance in an effort to not lose his position and lose that love. Instead they've made him a rapist piece of shit that you just can't feel sympathy for.

Aegon and Alicent should be swapped. The sympathy felt for Alicent should be gone and she should be outright shitty. Aegon should be the sympathetic one.

Rhaneys being there to begin with doesn't even make sense. She obviously would've left when her granddaughters left. I guess if they needed to have Rhaenys verbally beat down Alicent then fine. In that case Erryk should've been shown to take Viserys and then they escape. Even could've kept an escape on Meleys but the idea that Rhanenys stares them down with Meleys and just leaves is weak as f*** to me. Rhaenys would burn the f*** out of them rather than put Baela and Rhaena in danger due to the impending war.

I enjoyed the stuff outside of those things and the ending but I feel so strongly about the character issues that it casts a massive shadow over the episode as a whole for me and it sucks because I've loved basically everything up until the miscommunication to finish off last episode. RIP to Lords Caswell and Beesbury. The best men.

Spoiler

Yeah I was going to say she's been planning this for a long time. That whole scene with Rhaenys talking to Alicent about men and not doing things for herself was kinda silly. From the get go she's been manipulating the king and she's got two other dudes wrapped around her finger.

I don't know anything about the books so maybe he's different but I'm OK with how Aegon has been portrayed. He's pretty much been a piece of shit every time we see him. I do get what you're saying about him not being loved but I didn't really think about it at all until the scene in the carriage on the way to the his ceremony.

Rhaenys killed a shit ton of people for no reason, bursting through the floor was kinda dumb. They could have just had her steal the dragon, land on the steps right in front of the door, fire up the dragon but not letting loose and then fly off.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

If anyone more familiar with canon can explain the postcredits of she-hulk to me it would be greatly appreciated.

Spoiler

abomination is the thing?

Because I can't think of another reason.

Regardless, solid series.

 

[Hisch13r]

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Yeah I was going to say she's been planning this for a long time. That whole scene with Rhaenys talking to Alicent about men and not doing things for herself was kinda silly. From the get go she's been manipulating the king and she's got two other dudes wrapped around her finger.

I don't know anything about the books so maybe he's different but I'm OK with how Aegon has been portrayed. He's pretty much been a piece of shit every time we see him. I do get what you're saying about him not being loved but I didn't really think about it at all until the scene in the carriage on the way to the his ceremony.

Rhaenys killed a shit ton of people for no reason, bursting through the floor was kinda dumb. They could have just had her steal the dragon, land on the steps right in front of the door, fire up the dragon but not letting loose and then fly off.

Spoiler: Spoiler

Tbf book Aegon was also a piece of shit. I also agree Aegon’s generally been shitty some of that stuff is just general shitty little kid stuff and not evil stuff like the rape. Him not being loved is something I’ve thought of since the time. You’ve got Alicent grabbing his face and screaming at him in ep 6. Also that scene makes Alicent look weird because she’s like “Rhaenyra’s going to kill you if you don’t fight back and take her throne”. Now she’s only placing Aegon there because Viserys said so and she doesn’t want to kill Rhaenyra. Just such bizarre choices with her. Then ep 7 she slaps him and blames him for what happens to Aemond. Also Otto kicks him. Not once have we seen Viserys interact with him. Ep 8 he says no matter what he does it’ll never be enough for them which would’ve been a sympathetic moment if it doesn’t immediately follow up a rape. This episode he wants nothing to do with any of it. He says his father never loved him and when he asks his mother if she loves him she calls him an imbecile. There’s a great character there to sympathize with but instead he’s a rapist and there goes any feelings for him.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

Thanks guys for using the spoiler tags for HotD. Since I didn't read the books, I don't know how it ends. I do have a strong suspicion.

I thought last night's episode was really good. I can't wait for a couple specific characters to get killed.

 

[Hisch13r]

Thanks guys for using the spoiler tags for HotD. Since I didn't read the books, I don't know how it ends. I do have a strong suspicion.

I thought last night's episode was really good. I can't wait for a couple specific characters to get killed.

IIRC everything in those tags was for ep 9 and mentioning earlier stuff but it was so soon after release that I didn’t want to openly go into detail on things. I’ll just say my main gripe with this episode and the final scene of last episode is how they’re handling Alicent. I’ve loved basically everything up to that final scene last episode.

I am curious where you think this is headed.

 

[My3Sons]

If anyone more familiar with canon can explain the postcredits of she-hulk to me it would be greatly appreciated.

Spoiler

abomination is the thing?

Because I can't think of another reason.

Regardless, solid series.

I haven't read a comic book since about 1980 but I have seen all the Marvel movies. Unless they are going in an entirely new direction, the Abomination would not be the Thing. If you are referencing the scene where Wong gets Abomination out of the cell I think they are just buddies for whatever reason. Abomination doesn't seem to be the angry mercenary anymore but he doesn't seem to be a hero either, more of an antihero or just a guy who will use the Abomination persona for his own personal gain. At least that's my thoughts.

 

[Devils731]

For HOTD, I wonder if some important items happened off screen or internally for characters and we can/should fill in the gaps?

I’m not a book reader so these may seem really silly compared to the reality.

Spoiler: Speculative Discussion

For example, I think Otto and Aemond may have had some off camera discussions about who has the will and ability to succeed in the coup.

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I also think The Queen that Never Was may be nursing a much bigger grudge against the kingdom for rejecting her due to her womanhood. I think she would very much like to see a woman on the throne to put her thumb in the eye of sexists.

That woman could be Rhaenyra but could she see herself or Alicent as also having a path to the throne? I’m not sure she has a huge preference on which woman if it’s not herself.

Similar to with the Driftmark heir naming, I think she’s keeping her options open until she sees the proper moment to pounce.

 

[Hisch13r]

The more I think about the episode the more I hate it. Too much illogical nonsense.

 

[FascinationStreet]

Spoiler: Spoiler SheHulk

what an absolutely garbage way to end what was already a pretty garbage show. All while openly acknowledging that it was garbage and worse using the fact that comics break the 4th wall as some sort of shield to guard themselves from criticism. The MCU has gone from this tapestry of connectivity, albeit flawed at times, giving you lore, story telling and character development, inserting comedy where it felt natural and letting the actors comedic chops bring it to the surface but always snapping you back to reality and seriousness. Now its just pure garbage. Its not even fan service anymore, its literally anti-fan service. Shehulk is the coupdegrace of my interest in the MCU. very disappointed but I should have expected it after Thor4 which was atrocious to say the least. I cant believe how amazing I felt watching the comics i loved as a kid brought to life and then so callously thrown to the dirt and spat on by some over the top social justice warriors like JessicaGao. The fact that Kevin Feige approved this proves to me there is infact no hope. I fully expect BlankPanter2 and the emotional trailer we all saw to turn out to be utter garbage. I have zero faith even in the projects, writers and directors that were supposed to be automatic.

The more I think about the episode the more I hate it. Too much illogical nonsense.

Completely agree. I was on board too as the previous episodes actually had some decent writing. DECENT WRITING I SAY!?!? its shocking these days... truly shocking to see anything being decently written.

except for Dune......and EverythingEverywhere

 

[Hisch13r]

Spoiler: HotD

So the writer said Rhaenys doesn't act because it's not "her war". It quite literally is her war though. Her granddaughter is in line to be Queen.[/ISPOILER]

 

[FascinationStreet]

Spoiler: HotD

So the writer said Rhaenys doesn't act because it's not "her war". It quite literally is her war though. Her granddaughter is in line to be Queen.[/ISPOILER]



Up until the final scene of episode 8 I had almost no complaints and thought it was going incredibly well

Spoiler: HOTD

its insane to say it wasn't her war. What the hell were they all pandering to her for then!?!?
If she needed to escape, because she was being held against her will, which was made obvious that she would choose the green side or potentially be killed, then it quite clearly and unequivocally is a war that she is involved in.

JESUS CHRIST, this is like the devils.....

 

[Hisch13r]

Completely agree. I was on board too as the previous episodes actually had some decent writing. DECENT WRITING I SAY!?!? its shocking these days... truly shocking to see anything being decently written.

except for Dune......and EverythingEverywhere

Up until the final scene of episode 8 I had almost no complaints and thought it was going incredibly well. Pretty much all the book changes were positive

 

[FascinationStreet]

Up until the final scene of episode 8 I had almost no complaints and thought it was going incredibly well. Pretty much all the book changes were positive

Well as it seems you know, the books didn't explicitly lay out all of the plot details the way the ASOIAF books did for GOT until book 5. So the adaptations and changes from Fire & Blood seemed to have a bit more wiggle room to play nice with the overarching story.

just don't think about it! thats what all these show runners want! Don't think too hard! Don't worry about the plot! look over here at this giant CGI Dragon! Oh and you don't like it? You don't like my nonsensical story??? How dare you? you are now a toxic masculine incel twitter troll! You hate women! you hate them!

 

[MadDevil]

IIRC everything in those tags was for ep 9 and mentioning earlier stuff but it was so soon after release that I didn’t want to openly go into detail on things. I’ll just say my main gripe with this episode and the final scene of last episode is how they’re handling Alicent. I’ve loved basically everything up to that final scene last episode.

I am curious where you think this is headed.

This episode did make look Alicent look either dumb or naive.

Spoiler

Last episode she basically disowned Aegon and seems to realize what a piece of shit and terrible King he would be, but the ramblings of a drugged up and dying man and suddenly she's like "Well, guess I have to put him on the throne". Aegon himself realizes what a crock of shit that is and laughes at how stupid it sounds. Also, she's shocked when the small council is talking about wiping out Rhaenyra and her kids as rivals to Aegon's claim when Otto has been in her ear for years saying Rhaenyra would do the same to her and her children? Does she not realize by now how this shit works?

 

[FascinationStreet]

This episode did make look Alicent look either dumb or naive.

Spoiler

Last episode she basically disowned Aegon and seems to realize what a piece of shit and terrible King he would be, but the ramblings of a drugged up and dying man and suddenly she's like "Well, guess I have to put him on the throne". Aegon himself realizes what a crock of shit that is and laughes at how stupid it sounds. Also, she's shocked when the small council is talking about wiping out Rhaenyra and her kids as rivals to Aegon's claim when Otto has been in her ear for years saying Rhaenyra would do the same to her and her children? Does she not realize by now how this shit works?

Spoiler: HOTD

I think the idea they were going for was to subvert your expectations and assume earlier in the season Alicent was going to become some mustache twirly evil witch like Cersei from GOT, with the whole going at Rhaenyra with the knife and starting to "play the game" so they were trying to turn her a little sympathethic like "ohh rhaenyra and I almost had a reconciliation, how can we possibly contemplate murdering that whole family" etc..etc... part of the problem is they sort of wrote themselves into a corner as the book has Aegon becoming this extra villain-ish character and they were going to have to get off the whole I like to rape handmaids and go to brothels and bet on the westerosi battle royale for children