Connor Bedard stats good... but...
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SwedishFire
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His weigth is not a concern, it will come with the years, And if to heavy he skates worse. He looks sooo small .He cant be 5"10, must be 5"9. Or is all other players just taller?
Can he grow to 6"0, it would be great for him.
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SwedishFire
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Bro… you’re one the one who compares him to Eberle.
I simply showed how ridiculous of a comparison that was.
If you don’t want answers like that, don’t make those kinds of comparisons.
It’s like saying Connor McDavid “only had 99pts” while Connor Brown had 120+pts in the same league in 2014 so maybe he won’t be the next Crosby
It lacks zero context which would have thrown that out the window.
If you want to say he might not be the next McDavid then sure. You’re going to need much better reasons than “he’s small” and “Eberle only did a bit worse than him”
Physicality-wise, he looks more like a Kane/Crosby hybrid than a Kane/St. Louis/Gaudreau type player. I don't see an "excels despite his size" element here.
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I’m just pushing back against the insane narrative that he’s a lock to become the next Wayne Gretzky with some reality based logic. There’s no doubt he’ll be gold but some on here believe he will be the second coming of Jesus and cure cancer then go hysterical when somebody shares their opinion.
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It helped a bit having Semenko ready to kill anyone who would touch Gretzky.
I think Bedard will be the best player since super Mario.
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From what I've seen Bedard is going to be at worst a franchise talent. The skill, the vision, not lightning speed but that's not a prerequisite for greatness. And for a smaller guy he is not afraid to go to the tough areas, even plays with a bit of an edge too at times. The work ethic is clearly there, and that shot? He'll be fine.
And although I don't think he's going to be a 90+ player in his rookie year, for which fans will immediately cast doubt on his generational status, give him a couple of seasons to mature physically and ideally whatever terrible team drafts him the opportunity to surround him with a few good players and he's going to light it up.
And although I don't think he's going to be a 90+ player in his rookie year, for which fans will immediately cast doubt on his generational status, give him a couple of seasons to mature physically and ideally whatever terrible team drafts him the opportunity to surround him with a few good players and he's going to light it up.
No, you aren't. You got called out on making a questionable comparison to Eberle.
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Eberle was 18 and 19. He also had some big seasons. Bedard is blowing it away at 17. Goes to the dirty zones and has insane vision. Bad take. Really bad actually.
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You compared him to Eberle. Wtf are you talking about lol..
He's so much better than Marner at the same age it's not remotely close. He is also a way harder player with a way better shot. What is going on in this thread? People are new to this sport or something? 17 year Olds don't do.this. it never happens. Literally. Not like the eye test isn't backing it up either.
It's the most appropriate response to an asinine thread.
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Thats not what happened in this thread at all actually. Everyone can read the original post.........
Lindros was considered on that level at the time in 91. His career was absolutely derailed by injuries and he just never became the player that he was expected to be. His nickname back in his early days was "The Next One".
The comparisons were lofty and he lived up to the billing early on as a PPG+ player but a series of concussions basically ruined any chance he had of continuing to be as dominant as he was. In hindsight it's easy to say that he wasn't but in reality all the signs were there and he has absolutely dominant for a short period of time.
You're right though Jagr was never generational. He was a really good player who played in a league that suffered through a bit of a talent drop through the late 90's/early 2000's. That era was extremely physical and featured a lot of clutch and grab. Some players that should have and could have done great things had their careers cut short or were constantly fighting something and the general thought was to just play through it. Guys like Lindros, Bure and Forsberg had trouble staying healthy and Lemieux had his battles with cancer and injuries. Which really allowed Jagr who was an absolute horse and managed to stay relatively healthy to dominate the scoring race for a period of time that I don't think he otherwise would have. A great player for sure but I think he's more in the tier of guys like Mikita, Lafluer and Beliveau than he is in the tier of guys like like Gretz and Orr.
His size would be limiting him more in the 90s or early 2000s. Now he has a great chance to become a generational superstar. I don't dare to say he will be as great or even greater as McDavid, but I am pretty sure he is going to become a superstar player if he stays healthy etc.
Anyone comparing him to Gretzky is out to lunch. That comparison is far to lofty for anyone to ever live up to and really can't be used for any prospect ever,
But I think it's fair to look at what he's doing in the WHL and his international career and see a player that is doing things that are truly special and haven't really been done before in that case.
He's currently on pace to have the 2nd best scoring season by an U18 player in the WHL ever. The 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th best seasons are all from the early 90's or earlier during a time when scoring in the WHL was much higher. He's shattering records at the WJC while doing it and his ability to elevate his game on a massive stage is incredibly obvious at this point.
Is he generational? Maybe. Is it fair to think he might be? Absolutely. The rest now is up to him to prove.
The big difference is Eberle was drafted in 2008, he played in the WJC in 2009, 2010. Bedard isn’t even draft eligible yet. Bedard will be generational.
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Marner is a .ppg player. That's all I was going for. .ppg rookie seasons as 18 year olds are not that common. I can name more guys that isn't do it then I can that did... Some 18 year olds that weren't .ppg ... Jagr, how Thornton, Lafreniere, draisaitl, Pastrnak. No, not new to the game.lol. Forsberg was in Sweden as an 18 year old.
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Jagr's offensive pedigree has been bested by like 4-7 players in NHL history. There have not been many Jagrs.
2nd most career points, 4th most career goals in NHL history, Piker…
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Funny, but that's exactly how I felt about Wayne Gretzky at the 1978 WJC. Nice little 16 y.o. player, but there's not much meat on those bones, and let's see what happens when he plays against real men like Phil Esposito and Larry Robinson?Connor Bedard is a good player but do the stats even matter ?
He's a pretty small guy, do you think he will excel in the NHL ?
I'm just comparing him to guys like Jordan Eberle or other players records he has beaten this tournament.
Good feat but the players records he broke aren't the best in the NHL, good but not the best.
Link here shows every record he has broken:
Connor Bedard's historic World Juniors: Every record the Canadian forward broke at the 2023 tournament | Sporting News
The name "Connor Bedard" has been written all over the World Juniors history books.www.sportingnews.com
Great player but will he be able to compete with his size ? Seem like a small guy and might get run over a lot. Just my take.
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