Connor Bedard stats good... but...

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Who was generational and drafted in the 90s?

Getting Sid and Ovie in one decade was ridiculous.

Jagr and Eric Lindros? I'm 27 and I know the hype that surrounded around Lindros coming into the year and if not for injuries the guy would've wrecked the NHL. And what is there left to say about Jagr at this point?

I'd say Brodeur and Jagr were as close as it gets, if not generational. Other than that there's not much else I'd put in that category from the 90's.

Funnily enough, they were both drafted right on the dot, 1990.

Eric Lindros

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Expecting a Jack Eichel esk player rn.

We'll see if this changes after he plays in the NHL

Jagr and Eric Lindros? I'm 27 and I know the hype that surrounded around Lindros coming into the year and if not for injuries the guy would've wrecked the NHL. And what is there left to say about Jagr at this point?



Eric Lindros

He coulda been, but wasn't

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

World Juniors and barely outproducing another player his same age in an extremely weak WHL but people think he’s better going to be as good/better than Crosby or McDavid. Lmao.

I think he has an elite skill set but unless he grows another 2 inches and puts on some more weight he won’t be more than a MacK level talent, which is obviously still elite.

Kinda underselling his production and accomplishments. He’s got 4 more points in 8 less games, for reference Bedard is at a 2.28 PPG compared to Cristall’s 1.76. Unless you also are on board to say that McDavid wasn’t all that impressive since Strome outscored him.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

He just turned 17 in November and I bet he ends up being 6 feet tall. Also Eberle is a poor comparison- the teams Canada sent with Eberle playing were loaded and he never drove play like Bedard is doing, not to mention Eberle was 2 years older than Bedard.

Bedard isn't a lock for being a generational player but based on the tournament he's having I'd say it's likely. He is way better than Crosby and McDavid were when they played at this tournament and I can't think of another player who has impressed more than him at this tournament in the past 2 decades (maybe because I wasn't around when Forsberg played).

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Expecting a Jack Eichel esk player rn.

We'll see if this changes after he plays in the NHL



He coulda been, but wasn't

That's with hindsight obviously. A lot of people in the hockey world from GM's/fans/owners thought Lindros was generational in his draft year just like most people think with Bedard currently.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

That's with hindsight obviously. A lot of people in the hockey world from GM's/fans/owners thought Lindros was generational in his draft year just like most people think with Bedard currently.

His first couple of years, Lindros was damn close to generational

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

His first couple of years, Lindros was damn close to generational

That's my point, he lived up to the draft billing. He got railed by injuries, it's not like he was a gigantic bust lol

 

[Gurglesons]

Jagr and Eric Lindros? I'm 27 and I know the hype that surrounded around Lindros coming into the year and if not for injuries the guy would've wrecked the NHL. And what is there left to say about Jagr at this point?



Eric Lindros

Eric Lindros lol.

What did Jagr do ultimately? He won some Art Rosses in a weak era. Never led his team to do anything. Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.

That's my point, he lived up to the draft billing. He got railed by injuries, it's not like he was a gigantic bust lol

If this is all you think a generational player is than Bedard will be one.

 

[saska sault]

He has a mix of McDavid and Crosby is the sense he has the motor no one else does, at least at his age group. I think he is already elite in that sense now at an already NHL level. He has the skill of Crosby at the same age, not McDavid though. I think he is going to play 20 years in the NHL with no issue, the question is that a Crosby, McDavid career or a 10 time all star, which is a great career. He is a cut above everyone his age, wish the Wings would tank at this point for maybe some lottery luck.

 

[MessierII]

Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.

LOL

 

[VanillaCoke]

Jagr absolutely was, and Lindros would've been.
Both were unf***ing believable.

Bedard probably will be too, maybe not mcdavid level for various reasons but above kane/marner.

 

[Gurglesons]

LOL

What?

Is Phil Esposito a generational player now?

 

[Leafshater67]

When did this happen?

It’s happening as we speak. He’s been on that level for a couple of years now

 

[Gurglesons]

His first couple of years, Lindros was damn close to generational

How? He had one Art Ross and Hart in a lockout season and then never did anything else.

Are players that finish 6th and 7th in the league in scoring generational now?

 

[frederixx]

Eric Lindros lol.

What did Jagr do ultimately? He won some Art Rosses in a weak era. Never led his team to do anything. Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.

If this is all you think a generational player is than Bedard will be one.

You realize he's 2nd overall in the NHL for points and 4th for goals? Yes, NHL history!

 

[Gurglesons]

You realize he's 2nd overall in the NHL for points and 4th for goals? Yes, NHL history!

So are Messier, Francis and Brett Hull generational?

Jagr is a fantastic player a top 20 NHLer of all time.

He was never the best player of his generation.

The only overlapping generational players in the history of the NHL IMO are Sid and Ovi and Mario and Wayne and I'd argue Mario and Wayne are far enough apart that you can distinctly see when Mario took up the mantle.

This is what I meant when people say "generational" too easily. Bedard will likely be a fantastic player, but I doubt he is generational.

 

[Garbageyuk]

It’s happening as we speak. He’s been on that level for a couple of years now

Yet he has never hit 150 points. How does that work?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

How? He had one Art Ross and Hart in a lockout season and then never did anything else.

Are players that finish 6th and 7th in the league in scoring generational now?

Lindros paced at a 1.46 PPG over his first 5 season, which would be equivalent to 120 points over 82. Even early on he had injury issues, but his production pace was exceptional, and he was one of, if not the most intimidating presences in the whole league.

 

[Garbageyuk]

You realize he's 2nd overall in the NHL for points and 4th for goals? Yes, NHL history!

Not to mention 5 scoring titles. Some of these posters are off their rocker.

 

[Gurglesons]

Lindros paced at a 1.46 PPG over his first 5 season, which would be equivalent to 120 points over 82. Even early on he had injury issues, but his production pace was exceptional, and he was one of, if not the most intimidating presences in the whole league.

Lindros rocked. He was never a generational player.

For reference these are my generational skaters since expansion..

Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid

Not to mention 5 scoring titles. Some of these posters are off their rocker.

Probably watched more Jagr than a lot of people on here..

I never saw a time period as a Penguins fan where Jagr was "the best skater" in the league bar none for a period of 4-5 years.

The above are the only players I think fall in that category.

I'd buy an argument on Lidstrom in there as well, but much like Jagr I think it was more a career thing.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Bedard is listed at 5'10", but if he is 5'10", then I'm as tall as Shaq. I'm guessing closer to 5'8.5 maybe. I've stood beside him in Regina and I'm 5'11" and he is more than two inches shorter than me. I think it will have a long term impact on his numbers, but he'll still be a franchise player without question.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He’s incredible but this is the world juniors, not the NHL. Eberle looked like a lock to be an elite point producer during his run too. His size will hurt him. He also tries to do too much and has looked bad in his own end or on turnovers.

Eberle was 18/19.

Bedard was/is 16/17

Compare what Bedard has done compared to other 16 & 17 year olds and then get back to us

 

[Garbageyuk]

Eric Lindros lol.

What did Jagr do ultimately? He won some Art Rosses in a weak era. Never led his team to do anything. Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.



If this is all you think a generational player is than Bedard will be one.

Think about what you posted here. We’ll give you a chance to come to your senses before saying you know nothing about the sport.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Eric Lindros lol.

What did Jagr do ultimately? He won some Art Rosses in a weak era. Never led his team to do anything. Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.



If this is all you think a generational player is than Bedard will be one.

Lmao ok, that's where this discussion ends because you're obviously trolling. As for the Bedard comment, yes if he lives up to what he's billed as then he'll be a first ballot HOF player and had the most expectations since McDavid as a first overall pick. What are you even saying man?

Eric Lindros lol.

What did Jagr do ultimately? He won some Art Rosses in a weak era. Never led his team to do anything. Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.



If this is all you think a generational player is than Bedard will be one.

Name them, I have time.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Lindros rocked. He was never a generational player.

For reference these are my generational skaters since expansion..

Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid



Probably watched more Jagr than a lot of people on here..

I never saw a time period as a Penguins fan where Jagr was "the best skater" in the league bar none for a period of 4-5 years.

The above are the only players I think fall in that category.

I'd buy an argument on Lidstrom in there as well, but much like Jagr I think it was more a career thing.

On a forum dedicated to hockey? I sincerely doubt it, not if you came to that objectively ridiculous conclusion.

“There have been many Jagrs.”

2nd all-time in points, 4th all-time in goals, and 5 scoring titles.

And you’re now doubling down on your absolutely asinine take