NFL: Derek Carr retires

[John Price]

 

[GKJ]

Wasn’t expecting that

 

[StreetHawk]

Wasn’t expecting that

Well, that was unexpected. Now comes the question of when the remaining cap charges hit the saints? He already restructured, so I’m assuming he has to return any money that was paid to him as a SB recently as part of that restructure.

 

[Pestilence]

Why retire and not go to IR if he cannot play anymore with the injured shoulder?

 

[GKJ]

Well, that was unexpected. Now comes the question of when the remaining cap charges hit the saints? He already restructured, so I’m assuming he has to return any money that was paid to him as a SB recently as part of that restructure.

It’s not a big deal because the Saints have three QBs on rookie deals

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Weird

If he isn't healthy go on IR and continue to get paid as Pestilence said

 

[EpochLink]

Raiders held onto him for too long, missed out on other QB’s while we were trying to prep up Carr for what he’s not, a franchise QB.

Good when he was on but terrible when he sucked. Threw people under the bus for his incompetence and alienated others, some raiders fans defend him but I never did.

Good luck to whatever you do but what an inconsistent career.

 

[EpochLink]

@GKJ

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Trying to figure who he compares to career-wise. Not numbers-wise but reputation.

Stan Humphries?
Dan Pastorini?
Billy Joe Tolliver?

 

[GKJ]

He will get his money, don’t worry.

 

[StreetHawk]

He will get his money, don’t worry.

I would imagine Carr and his agent, would have talked this out amongst themselves before they did the restructure with the Saints.

Given how the Lions went after Sanders/Johnson on their SB, I would imagine Agents have done what they can to ensure that money is fully guaranteed at signing as that SB is to replace a large base salary in years 1 and 2 of the contract.

Carr's deal was $150 mill over 4 years, but $60 mill for 1 year and $70 mill for 2. Years 1 and 2 and SB were guaranteed upon signing. $10 mill roster bonus in year 3 was guaranteed on day 1 of 2024 league year.

It's just the money that was due for 2025 season which was restructured that is likely needing to be returned, outside of his $10 mill related to his roster bonus. His deal, reading it now, said that the 2025 base salary of $30 mill was fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of 2025 league year. But, figured that is over written with the restructure.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Trying to figure who he compares to career-wise. Not numbers-wise but reputation.

Stan Humphries?
Dan Pastorini?
Billy Joe Tolliver?

Humphries regular season numbers are a lot lower then Carr's but he did lead the Chargers to a SB. They got destroyed but that's more playoff success in one year than Carr had in his career. Same situation with Chris Chandler. Carr's career numbers and lack of playoff success are similar to Vinny Testaverde but Vinny played forever and bounced all over the league. There's probably some better comparables out there.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Humphries regular season numbers are a lot lower then Carr's but he did lead the Chargers to a SB. They got destroyed but that's more playoff success in one year than Carr had in his career. Same situation with Chris Chandler. Carr's career numbers and lack of playoff success are similar to Vinny Testaverde but Vinny played forever and bounced all over the league. There's probably some better comparables out there.

Yeah but numbers will be skewed because of the modern game. That’s why I was thinking about reputation-wise.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Yeah but numbers will be skewed because of the modern game. That’s why I was thinking about reputation-wise.

Ah, I need to read more carefully. Completely missed that sentence.

 

[StreetHawk]

Saw a tweet from Garaffolo talking about how NO won’t go after SB money but Carr keeps his roster bonus.

SB money is high and gets spread out over multiple years. But that is offset with a low base salary early in the contract to account for actual cash flow.

He got paid $30 mill in 2023. $1.5 mill in base with $28.5 mill in SB. 2024 he converted his $28.8 mill of his base into a bonus for cap relief so was paid $1.2 mill in base but total cash if $30 mill.

Seems insane that teams could go after SB money. I mean players are then just better off asking for the money as roster bonuses instead.

 

[Halladay]

@GKJ

When I heard he retired while listening to the radio this morning my first thought was this will trigger a second Mardi Gras . Canal and Bourbon street will be hopping more than usual.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Trying to figure who he compares to career-wise. Not numbers-wise but reputation.

Stan Humphries?
Dan Pastorini?
Billy Joe Tolliver?

how about another former Saint in Jim "Chris" Everett?

 

[GKJ]

Humphries regular season numbers are a lot lower then Carr's but he did lead the Chargers to a SB. They got destroyed but that's more playoff success in one year than Carr had in his career. Same situation with Chris Chandler. Carr's career numbers and lack of playoff success are similar to Vinny Testaverde but Vinny played forever and bounced all over the league. There's probably some better comparables out there.

He’s Andy Dalton.

 

[Breakers]

$205 million in career warnings

77-95 record
Made the playoffs once

Being a QB in the NFL is so lucrative when you are completely average at everything

Even if you show the slightest flash of being elite you could probably make 50-70 million