Connor Bedard stats good... but...

[EdJovanovski]

Am I the only one who thinks he looks smaller than his listed height? There’s no way he’s 5’10

 

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Am I the only one who thinks he looks smaller than his listed height? There’s no way he’s 5’10

IRL I am guessing 5'8", maybe 5'8.5".

 

[Gurglesons]

Lmao ok, that's where this discussion ends because you're obviously trolling. As for the Bedard comment, yes if he lives up to what he's billed as then he'll be a first ballot HOF player and had the most expectations since McDavid as a first overall pick. What are you even saying man?



Name them, I have time.

Dionne, Statsny, Hull, Lafleur, Mikita, Esposito, Kane. Would be all on the level of Jagr in my opinion off the top of my head.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Lmao ok, that's where this discussion ends because you're obviously trolling. As for the Bedard comment, yes if he lives up to what he's billed as then he'll be a first ballot HOF player and had the most expectations since McDavid as a first overall pick. What are you even saying man?



Name them, I have time.

We can only be objective here, so these named players must have 5+ scoring titles, 750+ goals, and 1900+ points. I’m confident the poster your responding too has a long list of players meeting this criteria tucked away. He’s going to show us

 

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Jagr has a nice accumulation of points, but so does Messier. Is Messier generational like Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr...

Nope. Is Ron Francis? Mark Recchi? They both scored a lot of points, too.

 

[SwedishFire]

Its not all about points, its also about who the player grows into in the final product, and here i see the same problem.
MacKinnon may not have been as good in juniors, but you understand he would end up great.
I cant see Bedard being greater than MacKinnon.

Patty Kane is a bad cimparable, cause physichality is not his game, its vision and brillance.
Bedards game is physichality, Ovechkin like drive to the net, wich will be a lot harder, and
If you watch the game, Bedard is that slall guy hovering around the net, fishing for a pass. He isnt puckhogging as much as he used to. But younsee that charastic in him.

 

[Gurglesons]

We can only be objective here, so these named players must have 5+ scoring titles, 750+ goals, and 1900+ points. I’m confident the poster your responding too has a long list of players meeting this criteria tucked away. He’s going to show us

This is a very dumb way to judge “generational talents” and your talking to someone who lived and died with the Jagr led Penguins and counted him as one of his favorite players.

What did Jagr do to cement a generational legacy when he didn’t have Lemieux?

 

[SwedishFire]

Agreed. Size has been a knock against a ton of players who have proved it to be a pretty poor argument, especially in today's NHL. He's 17. I wouldn't be surprised to see him grow another inch or so, plus put on adult strength.

I haven't watched enough of Bedard to be able to comment on his full potential. A lot of good NHL players produced well at the WJCs, somewhere like a PPG. Bedard has produced consistently and at a greater pace at 17. He has been great, and I think he's on pace to be a legit NHL superstar, and probably even a cornerstone of a franchise.

"Generational" too often gets confused with "superstar." I'd love to see Bedard be that generational player, but that's hard to say yet.

The league was really fortunate to get Crosby and Ovi at the same time, and both have had fantastic careers, but 2 generational players are pretty unlikely.

He plays though like he thinks he is 6"3. It will not be as easy in NHL with his size. He will score a lot, probably a 40 goal scorer. But how smart is he as a player?
I dont see Marner playmaking.

 

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He plays though like he thinks he is 6"3. It will not be as easy in NHL with his size. He will score a lot, probably a 40 goal scorer. But how smart is he as a player?
I dont see Marner playmaking.

I see Marner x 5 playmaking comparing them as 17 year olds.

 

[Garbageyuk]

This is a very dumb way to judge “generational talents” and your talking to someone who lived and died with the Jagr led Penguins and counted him as one of his favorite players.

What did Jagr do to cement a generational legacy when he didn’t have Lemieux?

Sure, objective, tangible metrics are a terrible way to evaluate players. You’ve convinced me. We should now just judge them based strictly on our feelings like you do.

 

[Gurglesons]

Sure, objective, tangible metrics are a terrible way to evaluate players. You’ve convinced me. We should now just judge them based strictly on our feelings like you do.

Cool. So Messier and Ron Francis were generational.

Using that logic. Bedard will easily be generational.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

I compare him to Joe Sakic who was not the biggest center.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Cool. So Messier and Ron Francis were generational.

Using that logic. Bedard will easily be generational.

Jagr has as much individual hardware as those two combined, including 5 Art Ross to their combined 0, and he surpassed both of them in career goals and points. You trying to lump him in with them is disingenuous. Honestly just seems like you’re trolling at this point.

 

[Peiskos]

Eric Lindros lol.

What did Jagr do ultimately? He won some Art Rosses in a weak era. Never led his team to do anything. Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.



If this is all you think a generational player is than Bedard will be one.

Literally only one man in the history of the NHL has more points than Jagr and that man is Wayne Gretzky, the disrespect to Jagr is unreal.

 

[SwedishFire]

I compare him to Joe Sakic who was not the biggest center.

Completly diffrent personalities.
Nugent Hopkins was also compared to Sakic, although a good comparision

A good compare is hybrid of a small Ovie and Drouin.

And also remember that Drouin looked great at jwc, i see some of Drouin in the sense that Bedard seems to practice same elements all the time in his game. Well see how it fares.

NHL and junior is very diffrent things.

 

[SwedishFire]

This is a very dumb way to judge “generational talents” and your talking to someone who lived and died with the Jagr led Penguins and counted him as one of his favorite players.

What did Jagr do to cement a generational legacy when he didn’t have Lemieux?

Well, Jagr wss a dominant player in the league for ages. For some reaspn he didnt came to SC finals again, but a team is not one man. Its also goaltensing and defense. Jagr thou could fix ofgense fpr a team singlehandly.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well, Jagr wss a dominant player in the league for ages. For some reaspn he didnt came to SC finals again, but a team is not one man. Its also goaltensing and defense. Jagr thou could fix ofgense fpr a team singlehandly.

Jagr made the SCF with Boston in 2013.

That last sentence didn’t work out to well for Washington.

 

[SwedishFire]

On a forum dedicated to hockey? I sincerely doubt it, not if you came to that objectively ridiculous conclusion.

“There have been many Jagrs.”

2nd all-time in points, 4th all-time in goals, and 5 scoring titles.

And you’re now doubling down on your absolutely asinine take

I agree here. Jagr was probably the best skater for a while, but in an era, 90s where thare where so much superstars, probably more than there ever been. Lemeiux, Gretzky decling thou, Forsberg, Selänne, Bure, Lidström, Fetisov, Bourque, Brett Hull, Yzerman, Sakic, Brodeour, Hasek, Roy, Belfour, Kariya, Fedorov, LaFontaine. Etc.

On a top100 players list, its more than 50 players that played in just the 90s era. The most competetive era ever I see it.

Jagr made the SCF with Boston in 2013.

That last sentence didn’t work out to well for Washington.

Ok, my bad. Still dominant. And you still need a 1C. I dobt think there been a cup winning team without an elite 1 center? Maybe Carolina 2003

 

[Gurglesons]

I agree here. Jagr was probably the best skater for a while, but in an era, 90s where thare where so much superstars, probably more than there ever been. Lemeiux, Gretzky decling thou, Forsberg, Selänne, Bure, Lidström, Fetisov, Bourque, Brett Hull, Yzerman, Sakic, Brodeour, Hasek, Roy, Belfour, Kariya, Fedorov, LaFontaine. Etc.

On a top100 players list, its more than 50 players that played in just the 90s era. The most competetive era ever I see it.


Ok, my bad. Still dominant. And you still need a 1C. I dobt think there been a cup winning team without an elite 1 center? Maybe Carolina 2003

I don’t have a ton of respect for Jagr in retrospect getting Art Ross trophies because his team was completely built around getting Jagr Art Ross trophies.

Jagr’s most impressive seasons are probably the lockout year with the Rags and 95 when Lemieux was down.

 

[CameronNeely]

I'd say Brodeur and Jagr were as close as it gets, if not generational. Other than that there's not much else I'd put in that category from the 90's.

Funnily enough, they were both drafted right on the dot, 1990.

Well as this is a matter of opinion I dare to state mine. Peter Forsberg to me ticked all the boxes for a perfect hockey player. He was an absolute monster in every possible category. I think he was definitely a generational talent. I am a Finn and hate to admit this

 

[Leafshater67]

Eberle was 18/19.

Bedard was/is 16/17

Compare what Bedard has done compared to other 16 & 17 year olds and then get back to us

Yeah how dare I critique a player and predict how I FEEL he’ll turn out.

I should be instead claiming whoever drafts him gets a cup immediately and he scores 80 goals as a rookie. Some of you have lost it. It’s funny to see how mad people are because I compared him to a hall of famer with a similar style.

I don’t see Gretzky or Lemieux in him. I see Patrick Kane. It’s crazy that is such a controversial opinion apparently.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

He’s listed at 5’10” and 185lb which is absolutely fine for the nhl. On top of that, he could potentially grow another inch or two and put on 10+ lbs in the next couple of years.

 

[SwedishFire]

Well as this is a matter of opinion I dare to state mine. Peter Forsberg to me ticked all the boxes for a perfect hockey player. He was an absolute monster in every possible category. I think he was definitely a generational talent. I am a Finn and hate to admit this

90s where very strong. When 90s heroes came back to play, like Lemeiux and Forsberg late in career, you could see that they had a capacity above everybody else except Crosby and Ovie.Thornton, LeCavalier, Tavares, Iginla has nothing on them in my opinion.

Tavares would be a 85p scorer, I think that slow hockey fit him more than a fast paced hockey today.

Selänne had his best years actually on the -00s.

Stamkos and St Louis is those stars I think would do well in a 90s, but other I dont know...

 

[SwedishFire]

Yeah how dare I critique a player and predict how I FEEL he’ll turn out.

I should be instead claiming whoever drafts him gets a cup immediately and he scores 80 goals as a rookie. Some of you have lost it. It’s funny to see how mad people are because I compared him to a hall of famer with a similar style.

I don’t see Gretzky or Lemieux in him. I see Patrick Kane. It’s crazy that is such a controversial opinion apparently.

Patty Kane is a HoF, its a very pleasant comparable. Especially since their style of play is also very diffrent.

Comparables in my order, if I still holds reality tied to it a bit;
Stretching everythibg to the max comparable - Patty Kane (smallish players being great)
Influated hype comparable - Small Ovie (his true style, with an inflation of a fans eye) the same fire in him to drive into the net, score and shot.
Smickering comparable - Stamkos. His best elements is Stamkos like. But has a bit diffrence also.
A canadian fan comparable - Sakic. A wicked shot, yes. Doesnt myself really see the Sakic comparable at all...
A mean comparable - Drouin, I see some Drouin things in his game as well. Looking dominant and strong against juniors, loves to carry the puck and having dangle fiestas. Some puckhogging. Though he seems to have more dedication and fire to the game than Drouin.

To not anger Canadians, Id say a mini Stamkos. But myself dont think he will score 60 goals, or 50 consecvent.
Best comparable is Jonxander Drovechkin

 

[Silky Johnson]

Yeah, this kid sucks.

Probably won't beat the all time record as a 17 year old...

Frankly, I'll be surprised if gets drafted at all.