Connor Bedard stats good... but...

[Hitman77]

I think his comparable is Kane's hands with Matthews' shot.

Be interesting to see his ppg in his rookie season.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Why so butthurt.

Why try and minimise a great young player having one of the best U20 (U18 in his case) moments in hockey history.

I realise it's a hockey site but what about his performance in the last ten days made you think "this kid ain't do great"?

Just be glad your watching greatness.

 

[SwedishFire]

This guy just compared Bedard to Drouin.


Holy shit this thread

A very small part of him.

Why try and minimise a great young player having one of the best U20 (U18 in his case) moments in hockey history.

I realise it's a hockey site but what about his performance in the last ten days made you think "this kid ain't do great"?

Just be glad your watching greatness.

Ok ok, yes. Im impressed ofC. But take it easy with those generational expectations. Was Raimo Helminen generational? I know he was 19, but the other players in the torney was mostly 19 as well.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Being 17 and demolishing 19 year olds is very different than being 19 and demolishing 19 year olds.

 

[23Monahan]

Bedard is going to be an absolute superstar, the way he is dominating at 17, and the improvements he has made in 6 months are pretty facking impressive. I think he will be a top player in the NHL after his first couple years.

 

[EdJovanovski]

His weigth is not a concern, it will come with the years, And if to heavy he skates worse. He looks sooo small .He cant be 5"10, must be 5"9. Or is all other players just taller?
Can he grow to 6"0, it would be great for him.

I know they lie about mostly all the players heights but he definitely doesn't even look like a hockey player "5'10" either lol. I'm sure there are other players in this tournament listed at 5'10 and he looks much smaller. I think he's 5'8

 

[Jakey53]

You think 5' 10",185 lbs is too small? I think he'll be just fine.

And he will probably add height and weight as well.

 

[daver]

A very small part of him.

Ok ok, yes. Im impressed ofC. But take it easy with those generational expectations. Was Raimo Helminen generational? I know he was 19, but the other players in the torney was mostly 19 as well.

Why would a prospect who has been closer to Crosby/McDavid level than any other CHL prospect in the last 30 years not be considered "generational"?

 

[tmlms13]

I think he is one of those prospects who is either going to live up to the expectations or a new entry in the greatest busts of all time lists. Either he figures out how to not let his size affect him or he doesn't and it's a disaster. I don't think there is an in between where he's a solid Top 6 for 15 years.

He's Patrick Kane or Nail Yakupov (though NY has other problems)

 

[57special]

Yes, I think he will underachieve in the NHL and not even reach Gretzky's numbers.

 

[Frosty415]

Eric Lindros lol.

What did Jagr do ultimately? He won some Art Rosses in a weak era. Never led his team to do anything. Great player, but there have been many Jagrs.



If this is all you think a generational player is than Bedard will be one.

There was not many Jagrs, wtf

did you even watch hockey back then?

 

[chauron]

He’s good but as usual, I try to refrain from all ”generational” hype. We’ll see in 3-4 years how good he is

 

[Zybalto]

Why would a prospect who has been closer to Crosby/McDavid level than any other CHL prospect in the last 30 years not be considered "generational"?

Add in the fact that Bedard is putting up maybe the best WJHC of any player ever and I don't think the hype is unwarranted.

Bedard at 17 years old: 9 goals, 24 points in 6 games so far leading the tournament by far as the next player has 12 points and on pace to claim the 2nd most ever.

Crosby at 17 playing with even better junior players (maybe the greatest team of all time): 6 goals, 9 points in 6 games.
McDavid at 17: 3 goals, 11 points in 7 games

It's next to impossible to avoid hyping this kid. He's already locked down the tournament MVP and probably did so before the semis.

His crazy blend of elite hockey IQ, shot and playmaking is going to translate in any league.

 

[daver]

He’s good but as usual, I try to refrain from all ”generational” hype. We’ll see in 3-4 years how good he is

I think league should unretire the #99 so Bedard can wear it and then give the league an actual reason to retire it for good.

 

[novisor]

Add in the fact that Bedard is putting up maybe the best WJHC of any player ever and I don't think the hype is unwarranted.

Bedard at 17 years old: 9 goals, 24 points in 6 games so far leading the tournament by far as the next player has 12 points and on pace to claim the 2nd most ever.

Crosby at 17 playing with even better junior players (maybe the greatest team of all time): 6 goals, 9 points in 6 games.
McDavid at 17: 3 goals, 11 points in 7 games

It's next to impossible to avoid hyping this kid. He's already locked down the tournament MVP and probably did so before the semis.

His crazy blend of elite hockey IQ, shot and playmaking is going to translate in any league.

Exactly. We can only compare what they’ve done in situations that all 3 have experienced. Crosby and McDavid were on better WJC teams at 17. Neither were the best players on their teams. Bedard is by a long shot. He will be generational. Maybe a tier lower than Crosby, but close to the same level as McDavid.

 

[57special]

I think league should unretire the #99 so Bedard can wear it and then give the league an actual reason to retire it for good.

I think that he should apply to the NHL for a special dispensation to wear 999.

Exactly. We can only compare what they’ve done in situations that all 3 have experienced. Crosby and McDavid were on better WJC teams at 17. Neither were the best players on their teams. Bedard is by a long shot. He will be generational. Maybe a tier lower than Crosby, but close to the same level as McDavid.

 

[FlameChampion]

I think his transition to the NHL will be a fascinating watch.

It’s not so much his size that concerns me. It’s more his skating for the size is. While his skating is good, I don’t think its an elite level. Players like Kane, Hughes etc are much better skaters. He does have a great shot and is obviously smart/creative. Hes good in high traffic areas but doing an NHL level is a lot more difficult.

I think he will be a great power play player. I am curious how effective he is on 5 on 5.

 

[novisor]

I think that he should apply to the NHL for a special dispensation to wear 999.

Crosby > McDavid as McDavid can’t win. 15-16 Oilers were in much better shape than 05-06 Penguins too.

 

[Treb]

I think he is one of those prospects who is either going to live up to the expectations or a new entry in the greatest busts of all time lists. Either he figures out how to not let his size affect him or he doesn't and it's a disaster. I don't think there is an in between where he's a solid Top 6 for 15 years.

He's Patrick Kane or Nail Yakupov (though NY has other problems)

Considering the hype, it would be Daigle, not Yakupov.

Going full Daigle is also the only way I see Bedard not being at least a star player in the NHL.

 

[Barrie22]

Kane is a comparable IMO. I think he’ll have a career like that. Not a generational player but a legit superstar

Bedard was also 100 times better as an underage player in a more physical league then the ohl.

 

[SwedishFire]

I think his comparable is Kane's hands with Matthews' shot.

Be interesting to see his ppg in his rookie season.

No not Kanes hands, he has hands for NHL.

Why would a prospect who has been closer to Crosby/McDavid level than any other CHL prospect in the last 30 years not be considered "generational"?

Well if thats the case, Forsberg is a generational player. And I promise you he will be ever be a better player than what Bedard will become.

 

[daver]

Well if thats the case, Forsberg is a generational player. And I promise you he will be ever be a better player than what Bedard will become.

If Bedard's career doesn't have to be always be defined by "per game" stats, he may be better.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I’m just pushing back against the insane narrative that he’s a lock to become the next Wayne Gretzky with some reality based logic. There’s no doubt he’ll be gold but some on here believe he will be the second coming of Jesus and cure cancer then go hysterical when somebody shares their opinion.

Once again, if you don’t want ridiculous answers, don’t make Eberle comparisons

Did you also think McDavid wouldn’t be the best in the world because Connor Brown outscored him?

 

[Zybalto]

Well if thats the case, Forsberg is a generational player. And I promise you he will be ever be a better player than what Bedard will become.

Cant compare Forsberg at 19.5 years of age with Bedard at 17.5 years of age. Forsberg is an elite player but he's a rarity in that the stars aligned for a guy of his caliber to be even playing in the tourney at that age.

This is probably Bedard's last one so maybe lets just try and compare him to Forsberg at 18.5 year of age in the WJHC (Still a huge advantage to Peter the Great with Naslund on his wing)

Bedard at 17 years: 9 goals, 24 points in 6 games
Forsberg at 18 years: 3 Goals, 11 points in 7 games

I don't think you are taking Bedard's age into account here. He's literally in a tier of his own we havnt seen before.

It could be a fluke of course but he also has the pedigree to back it up.

 

[SwedishFire]

Cant compare Forsberg at 19.5 years of age with Bedard at 17.5 years of age. Forsberg is an elite player but he's a rarity in that the stars aligned for a guy of his caliber to be even playing in the tourney at that age.

This is probably Bedard's last one so maybe lets just try and compare him to Forsberg at 18.5 year of age in the WJHC (Still a huge advantage to Peter the Great with Naslund on his wing)

Bedard at 17 years: 9 goals, 24 points in 6 games
Forsberg at 18 years: 3 Goals, 11 points in 7 games

I don't think you are taking Bedard's age into account here. He's literally in a tier of his own we havnt seen before.

It could be a fluke of course but he also has the pedigree to back it up.

I didnt talk about their junior careers, I do think Forsberg just turned out to be a better player as a man. Bedard isnt even in NHL yet, its my own take, I cant see Bedard overcome Forsbergs capacity as a player.