Connor Bedard stats good... but...

[Evil__Homer]

Again, Eberle comparison only brought up as the talk on TSN was talking about the records Bedard breaking.
WJC and not NHL stats.

Great comments though. Thanks all.

Also found this list of top players and stats for last 10 seasons. If accurate Eberle not even top 50 that I can see.

NHL Player Stats in Last 10 Seasons

NHL scoring leaders in the last 10 seasons. NHL stats leaders between 2014-2015 and 2023-2024 seasons.

www.quanthockey.com

 

[Leafshater67]

He'll be better than Gretzky. You're welcome, @ Burkeocet

Yup. Whoever drafts him is a Stanley cup LOCK to win. Declare him the GOAT now and be done with it.

(Not far off from some of the posts I’ve seen)

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Please....

Then everybody winning the scoringtitle in jwc is generational.

I dont get this out of controlhype of Bedard. He is a great prospect, yes. But it takes A LOT to be close to Kane, Crosby and McDavid. Crosby was also a late birthday, imgaine him playing in jwc 2006. He would had crushed that tourney.

Crosby led the iihf mens championship in scoring at 18 nvm the juniors lol

I didnt talk about their junior careers, I do think Forsberg just turned out to be a better player as a man. Bedard isnt even in NHL yet, its my own take, I cant see Bedard overcome Forsbergs capacity as a player.

Bedard will 100% be a better player than forsberg

 

[Canadian Finn]

Fair enough but I was sticking to more modern since 90% of the people here won't remember or have solid recognition of 1995(?)

you mean when we had to snail mail in a redemption card only to wait 6 months to get a shitty Daigle card in the mail?

yah, we remember.

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

Next Marner output wise not style wise.

Was gonna say this. Size doesn't really matter much anymore for forwards and it's a sad holdover from general managers. Bedard will absolutely excel in the NHL. I wish it was we in Ottawa who had him.

 

[Czechboy]

Was gonna say this. Size doesn't really matter much anymore for forwards and it's a sad holdover from general managers. Bedard will absolutely excel in the NHL. I wish it was we in Ottawa who had him.

I say 50 points next year and then he takes off. NJs Hughes would've been a good comparable too. Again... Points wise not style wise.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Patty Kane is seriously underrated on here, legendary career.

Bednard won’t be as good as Kane.

 

[snag]

He is 17. Young enough to still maybe put on a few inches and still to develop his "man muscle".
It's not like he is 5'4" 140

 

[Garbageyuk]

Patty Kane is seriously underrated on here, legendary career.

How so? Seems like everyone acknowledges he was a star and peaked as one of the best in the world for a season or two. Outside of that, he was a star player, like I said.

Legendary? There are literally dozens of players with as much or more awards and accolades. Calling him legendary is setting the bar rather low for that term, imo.

 

[sharknado]

I hope he succeeds but the last 2 games were pretty physical and I hardly noticed him. Yes he scored against the U.S. but that was all about the pass that he got.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Future top 5 player in the world

 

[GrumpyKoala]

That will get harder but he good enough to still leave an impression.
As for being elite like a top 5-10 player in the league, I don't think it will happen

 

[The GM]

I hope he succeeds but the last 2 games were pretty physical and I hardly noticed him. Yes he scored against the U.S. but that was all about the pass that he got.

Agreed, I’d love to see another player to head to head with prime mcdavid, but not sure bedard is going to reach that level. NHL D and other players are not going to fall for the toe drags and the look at the goalie and pass somewhere else as much as junior players.

 

[oldwpgjet]

I think he ( Bedard) has the potential to be a generational talent but he is only 17 and until he actually does it and puts together a good chunk of career in nhl then you can talk generational talent. Ten years ago , no-one was talking about Ovi being a generational superstar, he was a great goalscorer and leader but many players were . The fact that Ovi has done it season after season after season to the point that he will probably break the Great One's goal record is how he achieved superstar status. A healthy Mario Lemieux for an entire career would have been pretty interesting. To me , it seems ridiculous to be hyping him up too much when he hasn't even played a game in nhl yet.

 

[Mattb124]

Bedard put up gaudy numbers over the tournament, but the difference between his stats against Austria and the US or Czechs were day and night.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I think it’s fair to question Bedard being a generational player, but his size is not the reason.

The reason is you rarely see generational players.

Exactly. We’ve seen three generational players in the past 25 years:

Crosby
Ovechkin
Mcdavid

Bedard is going to be really, really good but he’s not quite in that tier.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Bedard put up gaudy numbers over the tournament, but the difference between his stats against Austria and the US or Czechs were day and night.

That is what the statisticians refer to as normal.

It's funny that when a 17 year old Canadian kid puts up 7 points against a legit team like Germany his stats are inflated and he's not generational, but when Forsberg at age 19 scores 10 against Japan, who had players who didn't even own their own skates, well, he's a total beast.

I wouldn't look into how OR how many. I'd look at the skillset, and his is as good as any 17 year old I have ever seen in this tournament, and probably better.

I think he ( Bedard) has the potential to be a generational talent but he is only 17 and until he actually does it and puts together a good chunk of career in nhl then you can talk generational talent. Ten years ago , no-one was talking about Ovi being a generational superstar, he was a great goalscorer and leader but many players were . The fact that Ovi has done it season after season after season to the point that he will probably break the Great One's goal record is how he achieved superstar status. A healthy Mario Lemieux for an entire career would have been pretty interesting. To me , it seems ridiculous to be hyping him up too much when he hasn't even played a game in nhl yet.

Yeah, we were. There are probably 1000 conversations about this from back in the day.

 

[Mattb124]

That is what the statisticians refer to as normal.

It's funny that when a 17 year old Canadian kid puts up 7 points against a legit team like Germany his stats are inflated and he's not generational, but when Forsberg at age 19 scores 10 against Japan, who had players who didn't even own their own skates, well, he's a total beast.

I wouldn't look into how OR how many. I'd look at the skillset, and his is as good as any 17 year old I have ever seen in this tournament, and probably better.


Yeah, we were. There are probably 1000 conversations about this from back in the day.

What is funny is that you think Germany was legitimate. Compared to Austria, perhaps.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

He may end up being a good NHL player but I don't think he's someone worth tanking for. Just an other Canadian player getting hyped because he's the best player in Canadian junior hockey.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Crosby led the iihf mens championship in scoring at 18 nvm the juniors lol


Bedard will 100% be a better player than forsberg

Lol better than Peter Forsberg? Lmao. There isn’t very much separation between Crosby and Forsberg btw, you do know Foppa is a clear Top 25 Player All Time right?

 

[SwedishFire]

Crosby led the iihf mens championship in scoring at 18 nvm the juniors lol


Bedard will 100% be a better player than forsberg.

I can guatantee you he will not. Forsberg was foremost the best 2 way center Avs had, add to that a physichal element few had, while having vision and playing sense close to Gretzky. He was dominant in dead puck era, and was almost impossible to knock the puck from. There was not coincedence he has the scoring record in jwc, he wssa force in every way. Cant absolutly not see all this completenmess in bedard. At all.
Bedard is a good sniper, not as commplete as Forsberg. I dont think he is at P Kanes level too. Dont ask me why P Kane didnt get more points st jwc, it just didnt get that way. It coyld and should maybe. Take out Germany and Austria from Bedard, and put them ss 2p games. Then Bedars would end up having 12p today. Still good, more ro earth numbers.

 

[Masch78]

Bedard will 100% be a better player than forsberg

No clue how good Foppa was?

 

[Breakers]

So they peaked in game 2 and dropped every game after

 

[Wry n Ginger]

He's 17. He's f***ing 17. Lock this thread and it's stupidness now before it gets out of control. OP is stupid and everyone that has said anything other than "way to early for this conversation" is also stupid.

So the take away is stop being stupid.

Have a great night everyone.

 

[vippe]

Bedard is a premium talent who was not one but two steps above other top 3-4 ranked prospect in Carlsson for the upcoming draft. He's going to be special. He scored a lot of points in the tournament but what impressed me most was his work ethic, a super talent that sacrifices the body, that goes all in i all circumstances and he's only 17. Super impressed and cant wait to see what happens on the next level.

Do I think he's going to be as good as McD, Ovy, Crosby or even Malkin at their best? Maybe not - but he's going to be among the best if not the best player in the league at some point.

As for the stats.. clearly, he was never going to score as many points against the other top 6 nations in the tournament like he was against Austria and Germany so the Foppa record was never going to be challenged. But still he managed to score 10 points against those teams which 5 of came in the playoffs which is still great.