Connor Bedard stats good... but...

[FDBluth]

If Crosby and McDavid some how met and f***ed.... Bedard would be the final product

I kinda like the Kucherov comparison.

Oh and then add in the best shooting ability of any Canadian junior player probably ever.

 

[Twowingcantfly]

Bedard is an inch away and a strong training regiment in the summer as an adult away from being bigger than Crosby when he was drafted.

Not even close. Crosby legs are the size of tree trunks.

 

[sepHF]

according to EP he's 5'10 185 lbs at 17 years old... what's wrong with that?

 

[SwedishFire]

Bedard literally just became the all time scorer for Canada at the junior level AS A 17 YEAR OLD and people are still attempting to discredit and downplay it lololol. Salt is real.

Where do people discredit his performance? And wherebdo they discredit it?
I ll against the generational labeling, drawing conclusions of his futire from one junior tourment. Yes, winning the scoring title with +20pts is special, but thatbin itself doesnt make a sure generational player. Remember that Eberle had a better tourment than McDavid pointwise. Hell, a lot ofnplayers had a better result than McDabid, doesnt meant they got better.

Take it easy with the expectations on a 17 yeat old kid. Expecting him to better than 3 times stanley cup champion P Kane is though. I think Kane had ridicolous OHL numbers, so thatbis something that tells you too that one tourment doesnt say it all- Kanes junior numbers tells something - he wss a extraordinary talent.

I dont like when people forget how actual good Kane, Forsberg, Crosby, McDavid is. Bedard may be a smart player, and process the game quick him too, but those players mentioned are just on another level. Producing points had to do with a lot of factors. Opposition, linemates, flow in the tourment, having a good run etc.

And what a downplaying here on Forsbeeg and Kane. Calling Forsberg overrated, I dont thinknpeople in here knows to much about hockey..

 

[crowfish]

If Crosby and McDavid some how met and f***ed.... Bedard would be the final product

Not even close. He doesn't skate anywhere near McDavids level, and he has a far better shot than McDavid or Crosby ever had.

 

[warrenborner]

There was a guy named Yzerman that was 5’10”(allegedly)/180# and he did alright

 

[DaaaaB's]

Where do people discredit his performance? And wherebdo they discredit it?
I ll against the generational labeling, drawing conclusions of his futire from one junior tourment. Yes, winning the scoring title with +20pts is special, but thatbin itself doesnt make a sure generational player. Remember that Eberle had a better tourment than McDavid pointwise. Hell, a lot ofnplayers had a better result than McDabid, doesnt meant they got better.

Take it easy with the expectations on a 17 yeat old kid. Expecting him to better than 3 times stanley cup champion P Kane is though. I think Kane had ridicolous OHL numbers, so thatbis something that tells you too that one tourment doesnt say it all- Kanes junior numbers tells something - he wss a extraordinary talent.

I dont like when people forget how actual good Kane, Forsberg, Crosby, McDavid is. Bedard may be a smart player, and process the game quick him too, but those players mentioned are just on another level. Producing points had to do with a lot of factors. Opposition, linemates, flow in the tourment, having a good run etc.

And what a downplaying here on Forsbeeg and Kane. Calling Forsberg overrated, I dont thinknpeople in here knows to much about hockey..

No one's forgetting how good those guys are. Kane put up those OHL numbers as an 18 year old. Bedard is putting up numbers almost as good as a 17 year old. You're just not giving Bedard enough credit. He's definitely the best prospect since McDavid.

Kane and Forsberg were/are great players but they're a level below Crosby and McDavid. I'd put prime Forsberg just above Sakic/Yzerman and prime Kane just a bit lower.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Not sure what will happen in the future but he is unquestionably one of the best prospects in a long time. His chance generation was exceptional throughout the tournament and it's been the same for years in the WHL.

 

[Elias40]

Now leaving Bedard and his Canadian records...can Gavin McKenna be any better than Bedard? His numbers are impressive but he is still very young, it's unbelievable how much talent Canada has. Sure, the player base is excellent, yet they manage to have the top players of their year practically every year or two, it's frustrating if you're not a Canadian fan.

What is behind it? Better natural conditions in Canada? A small ice rink maintained by the parents and the kid has hours of free ice? Or simply the desire to one day stand on the ice of an NHL team? Win a gold medal for Canada in every tournament he can play in?

 

[Peiskos]

Now leaving Bedard and his Canadian records...can Gavin McKenna be any better than Bedard? His numbers are impressive but he is still very young, it's unbelievable how much talent Canada has. Sure, the player base is excellent, yet they manage to have the top players of their year practically every year or two, it's frustrating if you're not a Canadian fan.

What is behind it? Better natural conditions in Canada? A small ice rink maintained by the parents and the kid has hours of free ice? Or simply the desire to one day stand on the ice of an NHL team? Win a gold medal for Canada in every tournament he can play in?

Probably a combination of all that, hockey is part of the culture in Canada. In other countries it perhaps doesn't have a cultural impact in that way, its just a sport. Hockey in Canada isn't just a sport, that's probably where the difference lies.

 

[Elias40]

Probably a combination of all that, hockey is part of the culture in Canada. In other countries it perhaps doesn't have a cultural impact in that way, its just a sport. Hockey in Canada isn't just a sport, that's probably where the difference lies.

The Swedish or Finnish development program are also good, but they don't produce players like MacKinnon, McDavid or Bedard. They have enough quality players to match Canada at the WJC, sometimes win. But there's just no one like those three, a difference player with elite vision, shooting, passing, skating..just a player that has all those qualities. Canada also doesn't have a player like that every year, it appears once every few years, but it's practically always a Canadian player with few exceptions. Some time ago it was Dahlin, a serious candidate would be Michkov, but we know how he is. Europeans are not lucky enough to have such an elite player, as a fan I am quite saddened by this fact.

 

[Statsy]

Where do people discredit his performance? And wherebdo they discredit it?
I ll against the generational labeling, drawing conclusions of his futire from one junior tourment. Yes, winning the scoring title with +20pts is special, but thatbin itself doesnt make a sure generational player. Remember that Eberle had a better tourment than McDavid pointwise. Hell, a lot ofnplayers had a better result than McDabid, doesnt meant they got better.

Take it easy with the expectations on a 17 yeat old kid. Expecting him to better than 3 times stanley cup champion P Kane is though. I think Kane had ridicolous OHL numbers, so thatbis something that tells you too that one tourment doesnt say it all- Kanes junior numbers tells something - he wss a extraordinary talent.

I dont like when people forget how actual good Kane, Forsberg, Crosby, McDavid is. Bedard may be a smart player, and process the game quick him too, but those players mentioned are just on another level. Producing points had to do with a lot of factors. Opposition, linemates, flow in the tourment, having a good run etc.

And what a downplaying here on Forsbeeg and Kane. Calling Forsberg overrated, I dont thinknpeople in here knows to much about hockey.

When you do comparisons between different players' accomplishments at the junior level, you really need to be making an apples to apples comparison in regards to their age. Yes, Eberle had more points in his WJC than McDavid, but he did so in his 18 and 19 YO seasons. He never made the team as a 17 year old, let alone when he was 16 like McDavid. By the time McDavid was 18, he was better than a point-per-game in the NHL. Had he gone back to the WJC at that point, I'm pretty sure he would have bested Eberle's output.

If you want to compare Bedard's statline to others, make sure you compare it to others that are 17. If you have trouble finding others that age that match his stats, maybe that means something.

 

[duul]

Stankoven is listed as 5'7", but a deep dive on him led me to believe he is really 5'6".

Bedard is listed as 5'10". Now anyone with a pair of eyes can tell you he is an inch taller than Stankoven. He isn't anywhere near 5'10". He looks tiny on the ice.

He doesn't move like Stankoven either. Guys their size make it in the NHL if they can move like Stankoven can. Speedy, agile. Enough speed to burn defenders wide.

Bedard can not beat anyone wide. Czech's easily pushed him into the boards every time he skates up the ice with the puck. He feasted on relegation teams with players who will never sniff the NHL. Won't even sniff any of the top international leagues either.

He is crafty. He has an amazing shot. Reminds me of Yakupov. They play similarly, with Bedard being a significantly better passer and Yakupov having the faster feet.

Two small, stocky guys. Bedard being significantly smaller.

Unless he can start skating like Stankoven, he is going to be like a litany of other players who were able to dominate junior hockey due to a specific skillset that doesn't translate to the NHL whatsoever.

Nobody as small and as slow as him is making an impact at the NHL level. The Czech junior team that may have 2-3 NHL bound players on it was able to skate with him and turn him into a nothing player when the going got tough.

I like his game, don't think I'm slandering him for no good reason. I've watched all his hilites 10x over to see that incredible shot of his. I don't see how you can watch this tournament, at least the games against real opposition, and think he is anywhere near becoming a superstar level player. He isn't even in the Eichel/Matthews tier of player for my money. Not big, fast, or strong enough to ever get there.

I truly believe Stankoven has more potential to end up as a good player in the show.

 

[Ezekial]

Eberle was 19 and a half, Bedard is 17 and a half, lmao.

Ignorantly late post, but he also had 13 points in 6 games compared to 23 in 7...

 

[ForsbergForever]

Seeing team Canada all lined up at the blue line gave a very clear demonstration of everyone's true size. I was quite surprised to notice that Bedard was the second shortest player on the team after Stankoven (and then only a hair taller) but was definitely the slightest built player, he's a little waif of a thing out there.

He's maybe 5'8 / 160 lbs and as talented as he is he could get absolutely destroyed physically in the NHL so he better have an all time great hockey IQ and agility to survive let alone dominate.

 

[Statsy]

Ignorantly late post, but he also had 13 points in 6 games compared to 23 in 7...

I had just looked this up for my previous post, so I can tell you that Eberle had 13 in 6 in back-to-back tournaments, so he did it when he was 18 the first time.

 

[GMofOilers]

People have been saying he’s going to get destroyed since he was 13 playing against the best 15 year olds in western Canada. Then went on to the best u18’s as a 14 year old. Guess what, as a 13 and 14 year old what he do? Blew everyone out of the water in points, named MVP’s.
Next WHL first time ever a player was granted exceptional status in the W, went in to score 2ppg in the bubble of a Covid year.
Scores 100pts in the W as a 16 year old.
17 year old, well we just witnessed. The 15 games before the WJC he put up 47 points.

He’s always one of the smallest players on the ice yet it never matters. People think he’s slow but forget he’s usually a couple years younger than anyone on the ice. If you compare him to his peers, he’s way above average skater. Edges and acceleration way above average.

All the kid does is prove doubters wrong that’s why he’s generational. He dominates kids a lot older then him not the same age. This kid has been highly touted since 13 years old, was named as a generational talent then, he’s done nothing to date to lose that title.

 

[Ezekial]

I had just looked this up for my previous post, so I can tell you that Eberle had 13 in 6 in back-to-back tournaments, so he did it when he was 18 the first time.

Yea, Bedard almost did what Eberle did at 18 and 19 combined at 17

 

[Alienblood]

I kinda like the Kucherov comparison.

Oh and then add in the best shooting ability of any Canadian junior player probably ever.

Try a worse skating Marner

Seeing team Canada all lined up at the blue line gave a very clear demonstration of everyone's true size. I was quite surprised to notice that Bedard was the second shortest player on the team after Stankoven (and then only a hair taller) but was definitely the slightest built player, he's a little waif of a thing out there.

He's maybe 5'8 / 160 lbs and as talented as he is he could get absolutely destroyed physically in the NHL so he better have an all time great hockey IQ and agility to survive let alone dominate.

He won't be able to do this at the NHL level . He's tiny and slow

 

[SlafySZN]

And hes team avoided Russia for a whole tourment.

I taked a look at Cooley. He got 7g 7 ass 14 p on 7 games.
If you take away Bedards 13p against germany and austria (a fill in for Russia), and put them as 2p games each, Bedard comes in at 13p. That in itself is great.

But Bedard actually didnt put up so high numers against tougher competion. I know I will get a lot of hate here for this. I like Bedard too, Much because he was in Sweden during Covid and wanted to learn some Euro things, wich he said he picked up,esp. skating from what I get, and took with him back to Canada. I like that move. Very smart.
But it would be fare then to say "Hey!! Logan Cooley will be a generation talent!!" He got 14p in 7 games. No one cares.

Im very impressed with Cooleys numbers.

Cooley also played against germany and a team like latvia… so what’s your point?

 

[KCC]

If Crosby and McDavid some how met and f***ed.... Bedard would be the final product

Crosby? I see nothing of him in Bedard. I see a sprinkle of McDavid in terms of quickness and a lot of Kane with a Matthews shot.

Germany is a top 8 hockey nation. Japan....is not.



Great player. Less than 1000 NHL points. If Bedard finishes his career with less than 1000 NHL points, I'd be beyond shocked. In my opinion, Forsberg was like Lindros - great for a short period of time, but overrated overall.

What? Overrated? Injuries are what caused both of those players to not reach 1000 points. You know that. It's common sense if you watched them play. And you clearly didn't then.

Forsberg had 885 points in only 708 games while Lindros had 865 points in 760 games. If they could have stayed healthy they both easily hit 1000 points. You know that. Overrated. lol. Give me a break.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Try a worse skating Marner


He won't be able to do this at the NHL level . He's tiny and slow

Bedard has the Gretzky quality: he doesn't look as fast or as nifty as some of the other stars, but he scores more than them.

He will do just fine in the NHL. If he ends up being a tier below McDavid that is hardly something to be ashamed of.

 

[SwedishFire]

Cooley also played against germany and a team like latvia… so what’s your point?

Wow, youre so stingy. Bedards generational label seems to be very important to you.

He played latvia and Germany yes, he scored 4pt vs Germany. So if you consider those numbers he got 9pt in 5 other games. Bedard got 10 pt in 5vother games. Pretty equal.

 

[Alienblood]

Bedard has the Gretzky quality: he doesn't look as fast or as nifty as some of the other stars, but he scores more than them.

He will do just fine in the NHL. If he ends up being a tier below McDavid that is hardly something to be ashamed of.

We will see, mentioning him in the same breath as McDavid is just wrong. Try Caulfield

 

[admiralcadillac]

He will score multiple 50 goal seasons and hit 100 points several times. How many of each of those is what separates the Crosbys, Mcdavids from the Kanes and Stamkos’