Connor Bedard stats good... but...

[ToDavid]

Connor Bedard is a good player but do the stats even matter ?
He's a pretty small guy, do you think he will excel in the NHL ?

I'm just comparing him to guys like Jordan Eberle or other players records he has beaten this tournament.
Good feat but the players records he broke aren't the best in the NHL, good but not the best.

Link here shows every record he has broken:

Connor Bedard's historic World Juniors: Every record the Canadian forward broke at the 2023 tournament | Sporting News

The name "Connor Bedard" has been written all over the World Juniors history books.

www.sportingnews.com

Great player but will he be able to compete with his size ? Seem like a small guy and might get run over a lot. Just my take.

You're missing a lot of context. Bedard is significantly younger than a lot of those guys. That's why you don't really see a lot of the McDavids or Crosbys in those record books, because they're the youngest guys on the teams and then don't come back. Look at the list of top single tournament scorers. The only U18 guys in the top 15 are Bedard (17, 23p in 6gp so far), Jagr (17, 18p in 7gp), and Gretzky (16, 17p in 6gp). Lindros and... Jesse Puljujarvi round out the top 20. Okay maybe there's one weak link...

Additionally, this tournament is just the cherry on top of everything else he's doing. This isn't just a convenient a hot streak. He's dominating the CHL in a way few have.

Lastly, he's not even that small... he's short but pretty heavy for a 5'10" 17 year old. He's more of a Crosby-like build and will probably be around 200lbs in his prime. Hell, at his age he could easily show up to camp next season at 5'11, 190+.

 

[surixon]

I've said peak Kariya for a while and I stand by it. True dual threat passer and shooter that isn't afraid to muck it up and puts a lot of pucks to the net. He doesn't have the top speed of Paul but has a superior shot.

Top 3 to 5 offensive player in the game that is a threat to score 50 goals and 100 points.

 

[missingchicklet]

Bedard will 100% be a generational player in the NHL. He is truly multidimensional. Crazy how good he is at his age. Still improving and getting stronger.

 

[Zybalto]

I didnt talk about their junior careers, I do think Forsberg just turned out to be a better player as a man. Bedard isnt even in NHL yet, its my own take, I cant see Bedard overcome Forsbergs capacity as a player.

It's tough to argue that right now, yea, and Forsberg should have had an even greater career if not for the injuries.

Just want to point out that this kid has been dominating guys 2-3 years older than him for years now and is dominating a tournament a guy his age never has. Not Crosby, not McDavid, not Forsberg, not Jagr, not Lindros, not Bure......no one.

Call me cautiously optimistic on his career.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Bedard is currently one of the best prospects in NHL history and is the size of Sidney Crosby (top 5 player of all time)

There are literally zero legitimate concerns about Bedard

 

[SwedishFire]

Found this golden clips. Swe can 93 a bit into the video

 

[Hockeyholic]

It will be dissapointing if he isn't in that Crosby/McDavid tier.

 

[That Habs Fan]

I actually think he is too tall. And I hear his left foot is considerably wide than his right. A shame really, he would be good otherwise.

 

[Captain Mountain]

He's the same height and weighs more than Patrick Kane.

And he's done this at 16 and 17. If he was a couple of months younger he would be a 2024 draft prospect.

It'll be harder for him to score at the NHL level, but its been a long time since we've seen a prospect like him going into a draft.

 

[SwedishFire]

Bedard is currently one of the best prospects in NHL history and is the size of Sidney Crosby (top 5 player of all time)

There are literally zero legitimate concerns about Bedard

Well, how many of his pointtotals, also at previous jwc, came against austria, bulgaria, lichtenstein ...

 

[SwedishFire]

Bedard will 100% be a generational player in the NHL. He is truly multidimensional. Crazy how good he is at his age. Still improving and getting stronger.

Please....

Then everybody winning the scoringtitle in jwc is generational.

I dont get this out of controlhype of Bedard. He is a great prospect, yes. But it takes A LOT to be close to Kane, Crosby and McDavid. Crosby was also a late birthday, imgaine him playing in jwc 2006. He would had crushed that tourney.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Exactly. We can only compare what they’ve done in situations that all 3 have experienced. Crosby and McDavid were on better WJC teams at 17. Neither were the best players on their teams. Bedard is by a long shot. He will be generational. Maybe a tier lower than Crosby, but close to the same level as McDavid.

Lmao I love how you just casually tried to sneak that in there.

McDavid is objectively better than Crosby ever was; it’s pretty clear by now.

Even if you want to pull the whole adjusted scoring to compare eras, Crosby is equal in scoring at best, but McDavid has been more durable.

 

[missingchicklet]

Please....

Then everybody winning the scoringtitle in jwc is generational.

I dont get this out of controlhype of Bedard. He is a great prospect, yes. But it takes A LOT to be close to Kane, Crosby and McDavid. Crosby was also a late birthday, imgaine him playing in jwc 2006. He would had crushed that tourney.

Who cares about the scoring title of the WJC. I'm basing my comments on watching him over the past several years. He's a generational talent, period.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

You think 5' 10",185 lbs is too small? I think he'll be just fine.

That's Panarins size

 

[novisor]

Lmao I love how you just casually tried to sneak that in there.

McDavid is objectively better than Crosby ever was; it’s pretty clear by now.

Even if you want to pull the whole adjusted scoring to compare eras, Crosby is equal in scoring at best, but McDavid has been more durable.

Crosby wins. McDavid doesn’t.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Crosby wins. McDavid doesn’t.

How original. McDavid is the better player. His playoff run last year was more impressive than anything Crosby has ever done individually.

 

[novisor]

How original. McDavid is the better player. His playoff run last year was more impressive than anything Crosby has ever done individually.

Yeah you’re right. Let’s forget the 3 cups, 4 cup finals, 2 OG’s, World Cup, etc. that Crosby has and that Mcdavid likely never will. Wanna talk purely personal? Crosby isn’t even a goal scorer first and has 2 Rocket Richard’s to Mcdavid’s 0. Checkmate.

 

[Leafshater67]

Once again, if you don’t want ridiculous answers, don’t make Eberle comparisons

Did you also think McDavid wouldn’t be the best in the world because Connor Brown outscored him?

I didn’t compare him to eberle nor did I say that at all. What I said was that considering him a lock to be the next Gretzky because of the world juniors is a bit of a stretch because there’s lots of guys who had great tournaments (or seasons in junior) who did not replicate that success as a pro.

 

[beowulf]

Comparing Eberle and Bedard is odd considering how much better Bedard has been in the WHL at a younger age.

Shows a lack of hockey knowledge. There is a reason Eberle went 22nd overall, he does not have the talent of a guy like Bedard, no even close.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I didn’t compare him to eberle nor did I say that at all. What I said was that considering him a lock to be the next Gretzky because of the world juniors is a bit of a stretch because there’s lots of guys who had great tournaments (or seasons in junior) who did not replicate that success as a pro.

There’s actually been pretty much no one on the planet who has done as well as him at 17 years old. For some reason you keep forgetting this.

There’s no one who’s done what he’s doing in the WHL as well at 17. For some reason you also keep forgetting this.

As I said, it’s like saying McDavid isn’t a guaranteed franchise player because *insert random 19/20yo* also scored a ton in junior.

Yes it’s true he’s not a guarantee, no player is, but he’s showing he has as good of a chance as any prospect we’ve seen to become one.

I also haven’t seen a single person say he’ll be better than Gretzky, just some posters who think he can compete for best in the league.

 

[daver]

There’s actually been pretty much no one on the planet who has done as well as him at 17 years old. For some reason you keep forgetting this.

There’s no one who’s done what he’s doing in the WHL as well at 17. For some reason you also keep forgetting this.

As I said, it’s like saying McDavid isn’t a guaranteed franchise player because *insert random 19/20yo* also scored a ton in junior.

Yes it’s true he’s not a guarantee, no player is, but he’s showing he has as good of a chance as any prospect we’ve seen to become one.

I also haven’t seen a single person say he’ll be better than Gretzky, just some posters who think he can compete for best in the league.

He'll be better than Gretzky. You're welcome, @ Burkeocet

 

[Canadian Finn]

NHL is becoming physically weaker and weaker every year.

Some of the kids don't even want contact.

As such he'll fit in just fine in the future NHL.

 

[tmlms13]

You're missing a lot of context. Bedard is significantly younger than a lot of those guys. That's why you don't really see a lot of the McDavids or Crosbys in those record books, because they're the youngest guys on the teams and then don't come back. Look at the list of top single tournament scorers. The only U18 guys in the top 15 are Bedard (17, 23p in 6gp so far), Jagr (17, 18p in 7gp), and Gretzky (16, 17p in 6gp). Lindros and... Jesse Puljujarvi round out the top 20. Okay maybe there's one weak link...

Additionally, this tournament is just the cherry on top of everything else he's doing. This isn't just a convenient a hot streak. He's dominating the CHL in a way few have.

Lastly, he's not even that small... he's short but pretty heavy for a 5'10" 17 year old. He's more of a Crosby-like build and will probably be around 200lbs in his prime. Hell, at his age he could easily show up to camp next season at 5'11, 190+.

*Jagr was Robert Reichel's running mate that year. RR has like 25 points that year as a 19 year old.

 

[tmlms13]

Considering the hype, it would be Daigle, not Yakupov.

Going full Daigle is also the only way I see Bedard not being at least a star player in the NHL.

Fair enough but I was sticking to more modern since 90% of the people here won't remember or have solid recognition of 1995(?)

 

[Garbageyuk]

Yeah you’re right. Let’s forget the 3 cups, 4 cup finals, 2 OG’s, World Cup, etc. that Crosby has and that Mcdavid likely never will. Wanna talk purely personal? Crosby isn’t even a goal scorer first and has 2 Rocket Richard’s to Mcdavid’s 0. Checkmate.

Crosby won all that by himself? That’s amazing.

He has 2 Rockets, but he’s 10 years older, and McDavid has twice as many scoring titles already, with another one almost certainly coming this season. McDavid likely finishes his career 7 or 8 Art Ross Trophies, 4 or 5 Harts, and 6 or more Ted Lindsay Awards.

When his career is over, it won’t be close, even if McDavid never wins a Cup, which I think he will.

Checkmate.