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Combined Goalie Discussion Thread - PART TWO!

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ToneDog said:
Thought the scouting report was weak glove hand. Watched the goals on NHL.com and the Seattle announcers were saying it. Doubt he can fix it soon enough.
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Still need to be able to take advantage of it within how we play defense. Might be the big difference is either they've figured out how to better be able to take advantage of the glove hand or we've done something system wise that teams are exploiting now
 
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robertmac43 said:
Seems to be that our goalies start to suck around Christmas.... Second year in a row....
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Since December 1st the Leafs sv% has dropped .885 % (which is 30th ranked).

Both Leafs goalies use to have sv% > .920.
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The Leafs use to be 2nd overall in team best save %, but as of today they have dropped to 15th and sit at .909 sv% on the season.

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We need to tighten up our defensive play 1st and foremost otherwise da losses will pile up here .. pond hockey does not work in pro hockey
 
Leafs Goaltending Summary - Last 10 Games

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Matt Murray Totals (Last 6 games) ......................... Shots Against : 139 ... Saves : 121 ... Goals Against : 18 = Save % .0871

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Ilya Samsonov Totals (Last 4 games) ......................... Shots Against : 113 ... Saves : 96 ..... Goals Against : 17 = Save % .0850
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Leafs Team Goaltending Totals (Last 10 games) ....... Shots Against : 252 ... Saves : 217 ... Goals Against : 35 = Save % .0861 [30th worst]

After a real promising start to the season the wheels are starting to fall off again, where neither goalie has been reliable.
 
Mess said:
Leafs Goaltending Summary - Last 10 Games

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Matt Murray Totals (Last 6 games) ......................... Shots Against : 139 ... Saves : 121 ... Goals Against : 18 = Save % .0871

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Ilya Samsonov Totals (Last 4 games) ......................... Shots Against : 113 ... Saves : 96 ..... Goals Against : 17 = Save % .0850
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Leafs Team Goaltending Totals (Last 10 games) ....... Shots Against : 252 ... Saves : 217 ... Goals Against : 35 = Save % .0861 [30th worst]

After a real promising start to the season the wheels are starting to fall off again, where neither goalie has been reliable.
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Dubas thinking he can defy the odds. The house of cards might collapse on him but it does not matter until game #83+. IMO I can't see them getting by Boston or Carolina if they can get by Tampa.
 
League avg sv% this season is .905

Here's a goalie who has a .921, but had a 12-game stretch with sv%s of the following:

.875
.947
.879
.889
.800
.945
.897
.792
.864
.975
.938
.828

Here's a 12-game stretch from a guy who has a .920 on the season as well:

.800
.722
.974
.868
.905
.931
.943
.871
.821
1.000
.750
.893

Here's a 15-game stretch from the reigning Vezina winner, who has a .917 on the season:

.818
.889
.955
.909
.900
1.000
.889
.846
.900
.969
.906
.957
.921
.875
.892

I know people are freaking out because of Mrazek/Campbell last year, but I think a refresher on math and averages could really help people calm down a bit. Being a .915 goalie doesn't mean you're going to put up .915 every single game for an entire season. Both Samsonov and Murray have only played 15 games each and have hit their first 'rough patch'. They will likely both finish the season with around 30-40 games individually; a half season left is a long time.
 
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Since December 15th:

Leafs = last in Team Save Percentage
Leafs = 1st in Expected Goals Against.

Playing great defensively, and can't buy a stop.

This feels familiar.
 
Tak7 said:
Since December 15th:

Leafs = last in Team Save Percentage
Leafs = 1st in Expected Goals Against.

Playing great defensively, and can't buy a stop.

This feels familiar.
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It's a crisis.

Let's take it to the main boards!


;)
 
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The 2nd goal Murray allowed after the Leafs tied it 1-1, I think was the worst one he's allowed as a Maple Leaf and I didn't like the 4th goal against.

Let's hope he has a bounce back in his next start like we saw last week against Colorado after previously losing to Arizona.
 
All Murray has to do is maintain his consistent career .912 and the Leafs will be more than fine. He was awful last night but that clearly doesn't define who he is a player. Samsonov is still a young guy going through ups and downs of development. We've seen him at his best, and at some suboar games. He'll be fine too.

There's not a goalie in the league who doesn't go through at least one rough patch a season. Folks should take a couple steps back from the ledge to say the least
 
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34 said:
Dead last in the league. That is pathetic. Ottawa is laughing now….they get the last laugh.
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While I'm loathe to respond to trolls like you, I just have to point out the idiocy of the "last laugh" comment. Just how does a couple of bad starts by Murray, half way through the season, constitute "last laugh". And how mods allow trolls disguised as Leaf fans to continue to post. I said a couple of reality based comments on a Bruin board - nothing even harsh, and I was banned for 6 months.
34 - you ain't fooling anyone, and this is the one and only time I respond to your shit posts
 
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Menzinger said:
All Murray has to do is maintain his consistent career .912 and the Leafs will be more than fine. He was awful last night but that clearly doesn't define who he is a player. Samsonov is still a young guy going through ups and downs of development. We've seen him at his best, and at some suboar games. He'll be fine too.

There's not a goalie in the league who doesn't go through at least one rough patch a season. Folks should take a couple steps back from the ledge to say the least
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Consistent? Hasn't he been worthless the last 5 years?
 
Menzinger said:
All Murray has to do is maintain his consistent career .912 and the Leafs will be more than fine. He was awful last night but that clearly doesn't define who he is a player. Samsonov is still a young guy going through ups and downs of development. We've seen him at his best, and at some suboar games. He'll be fine too.

There's not a goalie in the league who doesn't go through at least one rough patch a season. Folks should take a couple steps back from the ledge to say the least
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A little turbulence is fine, but so long as it's a bit of up and down and not just a pure nosedive... so far, Murray has bounced back after a tough outing. Samsonov's trending worse at the moment. The Leafs plowed through some awful goaltending in the third quarter of last season though, so we'll see.
 
Sidney the Kidney said:
I said this a few games ago, but I think it's playing out and needs repeating.

I'm not a fan of Keefe alternating them every single game. I think it doesn't allow either goalie to get into a groove. If they have a good game, they have to wait 5 days to see their next game and continue the roll. If they have a bad game, they have to sit around thinking about their poor performance for 5 days before they can attempt to rebound.

Goalies need to play multiple games in a row. I get you don't want to burn one out or have one too cold, but you can accomplish that by picking a #1 and going 3 or 4 straight with them, then putting in the other guy for 1 or 2. That way both guys are relatively fresh, but the "starter" has a chance to get in a proper groove.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Samsonov's best stretch was when Murray was out and Samsonov was getting consecutive starts, while Murray's best stretch was when Samsonov was out and Murray was getting consecutive starts.
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Im guessing he’s thinking that neither can carry the workload of a regular NHL starter. It might be a good idea to find room for another goalie and go with a three man rotation, or maybe they dx Murray with another injury and LTIR him from Feb 2- March 11
 
Mess said:
Since December 1st the Leafs sv% has dropped .885 % (which is 30th ranked).

Both Leafs goalies use to have sv% > .920.
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The Leafs use to be 2nd overall in team best save %, but as of today they have dropped to 15th and sit at .909 sv% on the season.

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Sounds about right. 15th overall is pretty much where I expected them to be. Earlier in the season they were too good and now they're too bad, things are just averaging out. I'm guessing we'll be in the 10-15th overall range by the end of the year which would be just a bit over average, in the .912-.914 area.
 
I’m going to guess….all the nay sayers were right. We have lost a few games in a row with some shoddy goaltending. These were bad signings?

Always tough around holidays to keep focussed. Need to calm down and enjoy the season.
 
Smif said:
Sounds about right. 15th overall is pretty much where I expected them to be. Earlier in the season they were too good and now they're too bad, things are just averaging out. I'm guessing we'll be in the 10-15th overall range by the end of the year which would be just a bit over average, in the .912-.914 area.
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Yeah the key is to just be reliable and consistent. If they can maintain an okay level of goaltending that would be preferable to the double nosedive.
 
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