Racer88
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That maybe true but trends are also important as far as goalies go.
Campbell was an all star goalie last year until he trended down
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Campbell was an all star goalie last year until he trended down
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Samsonov is doing what he’s done in the past, so I wonder if Murray can handle 70% of the games, or will he also break down?
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Absolute stinker from Samsonov last night (although he made some big saves in OT). Need more from him.
With that said, nice to see Mess back in the thread!
With that said, nice to see Mess back in the thread!
You don't panic with 1 game .. our defense played a river boat gambling style too .. most of our forwards were focused on scoring .. it was pond hockey .. tenders always look bad in a game of pond hockey
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Weak shorthanded goal set the tone early in this one.
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Started with the wash game. I said it during the game, bad idea to play him vs a team who gave up on him. It was a recipe to destroy his confidence.
did people really expect to get top 10 goaltending from both our tenders? there not that good, they both were always gonna have great stretches and weak ones, that's how sports work. especially for goalies who were projected to be bottom half starters/backups. if we expected a 910-915 sv% as an example out of these guys there not just gonna be consistent throughout the year playing at that pace. there gonna have stretches where they play sub-900 and stretches like we've seen, where they will be above 920-925 sv%. this is normal. Murray will go through this poor stretch of play as well at some point. this is why we got two goalies who were capable of playing well so when one struggles the other can pick up the slack. just hopefully both don't struggle at the same time. 4 bad games is not something that at should be worrying anyone at this point if a month down the line Samsonov hasn't regained form, then we should be worrying, but only really if Murray isn't playing well.
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I have felt the same way that playing a goalie against his former team is an advantage for the opposition.
Samsonov got hot and had a couple of shutouts and now his play in the past 4 has really fallen off.
But Leafs play in front of their own goalies has changed again recently, where they played more conservative with a defense first focus that has now turned it old bad habits of hanging goalies out to dry.
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I do agree most of the blame should be on Sammy, not disagreeing with that, his actions as someone previously mentioned has made our teams game look worse.
However we aren't playing cleanly either, this is where we find out the money we invested in curtis sanford comes in handy or not because we need BOTH goalies to be in good form incase the other trips ofc.
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I think you have to stay committed to a plantoon in principle and tweak the ratio of games. It’s about maintaining and not putting too much pressure on one vs the other. Bad Samsonov has been evident for a few games with the happy feet and bad crouch and puck tracking for a few games but we still have the luxury of still putting up points. Maybe you mix in a peek of Woll and Kallgren again to get through a rough week.
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Leafs were a little looser vs St. Louis but still very strong with the sticks on stick checking, zone work and creating odd man battles. I thought their OT was pretty well coordinated too with the dogged and strategic puck management. But it came down to a shootout and out panicky goalie was worse than their panicky goalie.
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The intermission crew even commented on the current play of Samsonov as a reason Washington walked away from him last year.
When he is confident in net its really noticeable, from what you refer to has "Bad" Samsonov as the contrast in positioning and stance and cross crease movement look like 2 different players.
These past 4 games he has looked more like Mrazek in net.
I agree I don't think you turn too heavily towards Murray, because of his past health issues overwoking him to compensate for struggles of others might have side effects no one is looking for.
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The odd part is how fragile their games seem to be - between Campbell and Samsonov it's like their 'off' versions of themselves are so bad they are unplayable. And they seem to wade in and out of 'on' and 'off' modes completely randomly.
Samsonov just posted 2 back to back shutouts, and looked absolutely stellar through his first 10 games, then his next 4 games he gives up 17 goals, posts a .850 SVP, and very suddenly looks like has absolutely no business in the NHL. His fundamentals completely changed. I can't figure it out.
And I also can't tell how much of either their earlier season success, or their abysmal showings of late, have to do with how good or bad we look defensively. All I know is that there's a serious correlation - we have looked awful defensively the last few games, and pucks are suddenly going in.
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If Samsonov can get himself to play .905, then TOR can keep managing Murray's workload. Kallgren/Woll could get the call though...
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Samsonov looks like he has happy feet and wants to belly flip to the security of the lower ice when he’s struggling.
I would probably go 2-1-2 with Murray and Samsonov starts, mindful of B2Bs, maybe mix in a Woll or Kallgren start once a month?
No, I doubt many others were wishing injury on their players.
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I mean here's the test for Samsonov .. wheels are coming off over the last 4 games. Can he rally himself to put together some consecutive strong starts? He has an excellent start with the Leafs, so the potential is there. Hopefully this new goaltending coach can right the ship.
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Every goalie goes through ups and downs throughout a season. Even Vasilevsky went through a stretch this year where he was sub-0.900 in 6 of 7 games.
Our goalies still sit at +6.8 and +5.7 GSAx, so not exactly time to panic.
Our goalies still sit at +6.8 and +5.7 GSAx, so not exactly time to panic.
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As was pointed out at the beginning of the season as a warning not to get too excited about his great numbers, Samsonov is known for having great starts to seasons then regressing as the season goes on.
Not sure he typically gets this bad but Murray has to be the man now because Samsonov is seriously struggling and his track record suggests he's not going to re-discover that potential again this season.
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