Paying top dollar for a d-man that needs sheltered minutes like that is a mistake.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)
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Paying top dollar for a d-man that needs sheltered minutes like that is a mistake.
IWantSakicAsMyGM
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There's a difference between saving a guy like Barrie for times when his offensive skills can make an impact and him needing to be sheltered.
Chris Bigras was sheltered. Barrie wasn't.
With that said, the fact that Barrie doesn't PK much at all is indicative that the coaching staff doesn't fully trust his defensive play.
strictlyrandy
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He doesn't need sheltered....it's Roy actually being smart and utilizing Barrie in a way that helps the team....
If you have a guy who is decent enough in his own zone but excels in the offensive zone, you feed him as many o zone starts as possible.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
Do you know what I do with my best defensemen on offense?
I tend to try and get him the most favorable match ups and offensive zone starts.
That's what I like to do anyways. I don't know what you like to do but that's me personally.
Bingo
He's not decent in his zone, he is a borderline liability. He is a specialist and that doesn't warrant top dollar.
His QOC is second pairing. That isn't sheltering. It's smart usage.
O zone starts don't necessarily mean you're bad at defense. It just means you're good at offense. See every good forward in the league.
He's a what specialist? Scoring? Because that's a pretty big part of the game.
Right, but he is a defenseman. His game needs to be more than scoring if he wants $6M.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
If he was a liability like that he'd play third pairing minutes.
Question do you watch him play?
IWantSakicAsMyGM
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strictlyrandy
Registered User
In regards to an actual Barrie contract, I think we see a 1 yr deal before arbitration worth 5.5. After that deal is up I could see him getting 4 to 5 yrs at 6.5 per.
Yeah but at least Letang can play defense as well as provide offense. Barrie only can provide offense. Big difference.
Barrie should be getting offensive starts, that's not my complaint, it's the fact that he can't take any quality match ups defensively.
Letang starts in the offensive zone more frequently than Barrie, but the quality of competition Letang faces is much higher than Barrie. Translation is Pittsburgh expects offense from Letang but they also know he is capable of matching up against quality players in his end if need be. Barrie offense is expected but they are concerned about who he matches up with as well in case defense is needed.
Often, and what I see is a defenseman that gets out worked in the corners, out muscled in front of the net, out of position, behind the play, and floundering in the d zone. Is he good offensively? Sure, but I'd prefer having a defenseman that can QB the PP and make a smart, solid first pass.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
Letang is a top 5 defenseman in the league and under paid should be paid 9 million same for Keith and doughty and Karlsson.
He knows his worth and he is a low end #2 high end #3.
Slowly reaching Ufa status gets 50 points. Isn't bad defensively.
Honestly comparing letang and barrie is apples to hotdogs
There is a huge difference between being on the ice and actually being resposible for an opponent scoring. I can't believe that enough has to be explained.
Says the guy who wants to bring up how good he is at rushing the puck up the ice to prove his defensive worth, but can't say a thing about how many times Barrie has actually gotten scored against. What can't be proven with a stat must not be true, huh? Keep living in that fantasy land because that's what the stats tell you. The rest of us, including the Avs and the rest of the NHL will stay here with a narrative called reality.
If Barrie was a good defender he would be getting over 25 minutes a night, he would be used on the PK, the Avs would have no problem breaking the bank for him instead of seeing EJ as the best Dman, and the rest of the NHL would be throwing crazy deals our way for him. But, nope, he isn't getting treated as this #1 because his defense is below par.
You don't know much about kids and genetics and how traits are passed down to the offspring, do you? I know exactly what you meant. You were using a strawman argument to try and weaken the other side by acting as if they were exaggerating how bad Barrie is, when in fact it's you exaggerating what we are saying.
There is no way in hell Barrie is better than Holden, defensively. Seriously, break down the freakin plays and quit just blaming everything on the lesser players. I don't know how many times I watched Barrie get boxed out for a rebound, or allow his man to sneak back door or allow his man to get a tip in the slot on a point shot just to see all you Barrie fans blame Holden or whoever else in the GDT. Holden is worse overall in the DZ because of his lack of ability to get the puck out of the zone which leads to a lot more mistakes with the puck than Barrie makes with it. But strictly talking defense, Barrie makes way more mistakes or just can't physically get the job done.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
Tysons barrie in one thread is the 29th and it looks like he's in the 30-35 range for the thread I made.. until the guys I just told in tis thread wI'll change that fact.
The top 43 contracts in the league for defensemen the bottom is 5 million.
Of the ones ahead I would argue he Is better then 10 of them for sure.
Deals over time go up.
Who has reached 50 points that is above him?
I have something important to do I will come back to this post at a later date
The top 43 contracts in the league for defensemen the bottom is 5 million.
Of the ones ahead I would argue he Is better then 10 of them for sure.
Deals over time go up.
Who has reached 50 points that is above him?
I have something important to do I will come back to this post at a later date
THall4
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tony d
New poll series coming from me in June
If I'm Colorado I give Barrie what he wants. Their defense is poor enough as is, they lose Barrie look out.
IWantSakicAsMyGM
Registered User
If they lose Barrie, their scoring from the blueline will suffer much more than their ability to keep the puck out of their own net.
strictlyrandy
Registered User
Lost in all this is the Nolan Pratt hire. Farrish and Barrie never meshed well. Farrish had a terrible system anyway, but you can tell his outdated thinking didn't jive with the rest of the defense. Pratt on the other hand has a more modern approach that is more in line with today's game than how Farrish coached.
I think we see Barrie explode even more under Pratt and surprise a lot of people. He's got all the tools to do it.
I think we see Barrie explode even more under Pratt and surprise a lot of people. He's got all the tools to do it.
Moby Stick
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They are $7.04MM under the cap at present and still in need of a depth forward, on top of Barrie. Why not just sign him for the likely $5.25MM-$5.5MM the arbitrator will award for two-years and then sign a depth forward? Iginla, Stuart, and Mitchell come off the books at the end of this year. If Barrie continues his progression then give him the long-term security at the end of this season.
strictlyrandy
Registered User
Could this not apply to Barrie too?
Has he been responsible for a few goals against, sure. He's not the sieve you claim he is.
cgf
FireBednarsSuccessor
I bet I'm not the only one who voted Barrie in the 30-35 range in that thread because you put top 29 way down near the bottom of the options.
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