IWantSakicAsMyGM
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Are they all over $6m AAV? Were they all proven 1Ds when they signed those contracts? Then why does it matter what their actual cap hit is, if they are all getting more than Barrie deserves as a 3D?
Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)
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Are they all over $6m AAV? Were they all proven 1Ds when they signed those contracts? Then why does it matter what their actual cap hit is, if they are all getting more than Barrie deserves as a 3D?
cgf
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Barrie's defensive issues have taken on a life of their own. He makes a lot of good defensive plays, even if his size means that there are some ugly plays where guys take advantage of him.
He's a major weapon in today's NHL who has a significant impact on the game every time he's on the ice...at least 5on5; as his PP prowess is still a work-in-progress.
If 6 per on a long term deal was all his camp are after I hope he remains an Av through his prime...but if they are asking for 6 for just 1 RFA year, then I'm skeptical about whether they'll settle for something below what MacKinnon got.
He's a major weapon in today's NHL who has a significant impact on the game every time he's on the ice...at least 5on5; as his PP prowess is still a work-in-progress.
If 6 per on a long term deal was all his camp are after I hope he remains an Av through his prime...but if they are asking for 6 for just 1 RFA year, then I'm skeptical about whether they'll settle for something below what MacKinnon got.
Makar Goes Fast
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my view is id rather overpay barrie by 1 mill a year (7 mill a year) than overpay on bottom line guys like mcleod and mitchell. my point here is if you have a couple bottom 6ers who make 330 000 or more than they should that money is better off spent on barrie than guys who are replaceable for less.
Doesn't it seem likely that the Avs will sign Barrie to a long-term deal and avoid the arbitration hearing?
No, it seems likely they'll meet in the middle in a one year deal before arb. Wash, rinse, repeat.
It's just the basics that he seems to falter with. He can't win a battle in the corner to save his life.
strictlyrandy
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ITT people act as if Barrie is the defensive offspring of Gregor Zanon and Nate Guenin. His defensive liabilities are blown out of proportion imo.
Iceberg
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Your post would make a lot more sense if he had not filed for arbitration.
So, the absurd demands from Barrie's camp only exists in your little world.
smackdaddy
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Illogical. You always have to have bottom sixers. You don't save; you only overspend.
Bryanbryoil
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Maybe, but like I said with the Hamilton situation he signed for much less than was speculated that he'd sign for in Boston. No one really knows one way or another IMO. Just pure speculation on my part.
Maybe not but the market is always changing and the Avs would be weaker without him than with him unless they get a really good return.
I agree, as a general rule of thumb it's better to overpay your stars than your depth guys.
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Well it's hard when your one of the smallest guys on the ice. It's not like he doesn't try, it's just that the bigger guys will win those battles 9/10 because of their size. If he was losing board battles due to completely avoiding them and not trying that would be another thing.
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Going to predict that they settle on a 2 year 10M per deal. If they do, the final year of the deal will be very interesting as it'd determine his qualifying offer going forward.
Colorado is going to drag out another 1-3 years out of him and only trade him if they get what they want. There's no reason to settle for a bad return when they now know they have him for at best 4, and at worst 6 million per for the next two seasons with him still being an RFA after.
Colorado is going to drag out another 1-3 years out of him and only trade him if they get what they want. There's no reason to settle for a bad return when they now know they have him for at best 4, and at worst 6 million per for the next two seasons with him still being an RFA after.
IWantSakicAsMyGM
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I like Barrie's effort level, but results matter. Do you want him defending Benn and Seguin all night? Or Tarasenko? Or Wheeler? He's just not equipped to be a top pairing D.
Bryanbryoil
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Isn't that EJ's job anyway? If he went to Edmonton, those match-ups would be Larsson's while he'd be getting the PP and prime offensive shifts. Does Colorado deploy him differently than that?
I think people get too hung up on top pairing/2nd pairing. The Penguins just won a cup with Letang as their best defenseman, playing 2nd line QOC and very high offensive zone start percentage. What's wrong with having a shutdown line and an offensive second pairing?
Ideally the kids develop. And we end up with this:
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Bigras-Barrie
Use Zadorov-EJ in those own zone FO's against Benn/Seguin/Tarasenko/Wheeler. On the next FO in the offensive zone, trott Barrie and Bigras out there to let Barrie do what he does best.
We can easily get $6m in value from him if we give him tons of offensive opportunities and don't overextend him in the defensive zone.
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They don't, but some can't grasp this concept and they can't stop harping on about it.
Spot on.
No no, we all grasp the concept. What no one can grasp is why it makes sense to some to pay a one dimensional defenseman more than any other player on your team (referring to those that say, "just pay the extra $1M and be done with it").
He has earned a raise and a long term deal, but to think he warrants $6M is nuts. When players start asking for that, there is a level of play that is expected in all zones, not just the offensive zone. He is not great defensively and if he feels as though he deserves to be compensated as a top-tier d-man, he is going to get held to pretty lofty standards.
He is very good, but paying $6M-$7.5M for his is way too much for what he brings to the team.
Makar Goes Fast
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umm no mcleod is over paid ny 333 333 and so is mitchell.
give bottom 6ers the take it or leave it. they are easily replaceable. barrie is not, that is my point.
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I know it takes two sides to sign a contract but I don't see why this guy is in all the trade rumors this offseason, or why it seems like Colorado wants to play hardball with him. He's young, already really good, could realistically improve, and is that slick offensively gifted RH defenseman every team covets.
Yeah, I don't think that is right. Bottom 6ers are not all easily replaceable. The ironic thing is that you say Barrie is not, but he is an offensive specialist while a lot of bottom 6 forwards are defensive specialists. I'm not saying Mcleod or Mitchell are, but there are a lot of really good bottom 6 players that are just as important to their teams success.
It's nuts to think a guy who is elite at putting up points (in the today's NHL when offense has never been harder to come by) at ES is worth 6mil? How about you take a look around the league and get in touch with reality?
And can we please stop with this inane narrative that he's poor defensively? I know some can't grasp that there's more to D than old time hockey. Barrie is very good at puck retrieval, pushes the play the other way and is sound positionally, all while being saddled with bums like Guenin and Holden, so cut that nonsense.
And can we please stop with this inane narrative that he's poor defensively? I know some can't grasp that there's more to D than old time hockey. Barrie is very good at puck retrieval, pushes the play the other way and is sound positionally, all while being saddled with bums like Guenin and Holden, so cut that nonsense.
When $6M is in the same stratosphere as the higher end players on the team? Yeah, it's nuts. 5-5.5 is a fair value for what he brings to the table at this point in his career.
Look at what defensemen make $6M or more a year, almost every single one plays a more complete game then Barrie. You may not like the idea of old time D, but fact of the matter is that winning battles in the corners and in front of the net are still extremely important facets to playing DEFENSE. As far as pushing the play the other way, he can carry the puck extremely well, but his break out pass is lacking and he can not QB the power play. So paying him the same as players that can do all of those things is nuts. As far as the being saddled goes, I've seen more plays where both of those players were left out to dry because Barrie lost a battle in the corner or was out of position. So the narrative of Barrie's d-game suffering because of those two is asinine.
CanadienShark
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Holy crap what a lowball. He's not even asking crazy money either. Just offer up that (or slightly higher) on a multi year deal and you're all set.
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Barrie is asking for 6 Mill on 1 RFA-year!
I wonder what amount is asked for a multi year deal!
Barrie isn´t worth any number over 6 at the moment.
If this goes to Arbitration, he shouldn´t expect more than 5.25/year and would still have one year left as RFA.
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