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Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)

Prostyle said:
I think MikeK is making a fairly valid point here (though I wouldn't go as far as saying this is poor management). If you don't see Barrie as a long term part of your team, you sell while you know you are getting a strong return. Now that is a BIG if (I don't think the Avs want to lose Barrie), but if the Avs know they are going to sell in two years, you are risking quite a bit. The bigger but less likely risk is that he regresses, it is possible but definitely unlikely. The bigger risk is that he gets injured in the next two years and then the asset you knew you were going to use as a bartering chip becomes significantly less valuable. Today's hockey is a brutal game and Barrie is a fairly small player.

Getting two more years out of him and trading for a similar return is smart, but you cannot assume that it is a guarantee. Keep in mind that the value of an asset that is exceptionally high typically has only one way to go ... typically.
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I'd say a few things... the extra 2 years of service has value (even if the Avs got slightly less which I don't think would happen... that 2 years means something), a trade in 2 years can a better suited to the future of the team (which is pretty up in the air this summer), and IMO, Barrie has another gear. He hasn't been all that great on the PP in the past, but showed strides last season. If he can take another step there and the team as a whole starts scoring better (a few players should improve and the addition of Rantanen should help)... 60+ points isn't out of the question from Barrie. Barrie going from a ~50 point defensemen to a ~60 point defensemen is a rather large uptick in value across the league. I'd say that him improving has a much better chance of happening than him regressing.

On the injury front, that can happen to any player and it is an inherent risk. The Avs have shown that is a risk they will take.
 
If it actually goes to arbitration you have to think the Avs plan to trade him at some point. If the arbitrator awards 2 years and the cap hit starts with a 5 Tyson Barrie will become a very valuable trade piece.

A 50 point defenseman with two years remaining under 6mil per year and is an RFA at the end? The guy will return whatever Sakic wants.
 
kento said:
If it actually goes to arbitration you have to think the Avs plan to trade him at some point. If the arbitrator awards 2 years and the cap hit starts with a 5 Tyson Barrie will become a very valuable trade piece.

A 50 point defenseman with two years remaining under 6mil per year and is an RFA at the end? The guy will return whatever Sakic wants.
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I agree with you that if it does go through arbitration then I would expect a trade shortly thereafter so Sakic better have his phone ready. I don't know about getting whatever return he wants though. Trouba seems to be the guy they're after and although a signed Barrie for 2 years + still an RFA would have a lot of value, it's not a great fit for the Jets.

This one might actually go to arbitration more than any other case, imo. The Avs will want at minimum a 5+ year commitment from Barrie and the Barrie camp will likely want that contract to start with a 6 if they are going to sign that kind of deal.

At this point, I want him signed 5+ years or traded...sick of newport and all their macho-head-games.
 
no, but they would basically be in ROR 2.0 where he probably wants to get paid and they would just trade him.
 
serp said:
Klingberg , Faulk and Josi got their contracts after their rookie/sophomore years when it wasn't really clear how good they really are. Barrie has 3 full year behind him ( and some more games from 2 years prior to those ) . He's a sure thing at this point.
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Faulk signed in March in the final year of his ELC.

Avs need to pay up. They make a lot of dumb decisions.
 
TheOllieC said:
Faulk signed in March in the final year of his ELC.

Avs need to pay up. They make a lot of dumb decisions.
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Yea lots of dumb decisions like locking up Duchene, Landeskog, Varlamov, Johnson and MacKinnon to reasonable contract right? :laugh: If he's asking for 6M for a 1 year RFA contract, how much do you think he's asking for for a long term contract that buys UFA years?
 
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That's a fairly significant gap. I wonder what he's looking at in a longer term deal? As an Oilers fan I'd have no problem with our team paying him $6 or $6.5 million AAV for 7 years dependent on what a potential trade return would be.
 
Muffin said:
Yea lots of dumb decisions like locking up Duchene, Landeskog, Varlamov, Johnson and MacKinnon to reasonable contract right? :laugh:
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You forgot about the time they traded a guy who didn't want to be here for a significantly better return than anyone expected.


Honestly, the only things I look back on and question are giving Stuart an extension before he played a single game, giving Iginla a 3 year contract instead of 2, and not trading Stastny before he walked for nothing. I can understand the last 2 decisions, but Stuart's extension is still a mystery.
 
Bryanbryoil said:
That's a fairly significant gap. I wonder what he's looking at in a longer term deal? As an Oilers fan I'd have no problem with our team paying him $6 or $6.5 million AAV for 7 years dependent on what a potential trade return would be.
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6M for one RFA year is what the guy is asking for. He would want a lot more if he is burining his UFA years.
 
I am shocked that both parties were talking short term deals here... Both parties think there's a lot to be proved still? To understand little bit about the avs ideology, their #1D is signed longterm 6m, so I thought the avs offered #2D kinda contract 6y/5,5m.
 
Joetrick Roykic said:
I am shocked that both parties were talking short term deals here... Both parties think there's a lot to be proved still? To understand little bit about the avs ideology, their #1D is signed longterm 6m, so I thought the avs offered #2D kinda contract 6y/5,5m.
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arb numbers are always short term deals....

you dont know whether they have been talking long term or not by what was made public.

i would bet barrie wants long term at 7 and i could see the avs saying long term at 6 or just shy of.
 
Muffin said:
Yea lots of dumb decisions like locking up Duchene, Landeskog, Varlamov, Johnson and MacKinnon to reasonable contract right? :laugh: If he's asking for 6M for a 1 year RFA contract, how much do you think he's asking for for a long term contract that buys UFA years?
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Probably still the same 6m, cause his agent knew that it would come to this and if he was happy with 5ish kinda number, they were gonna say that they want 6m, which isn't obviously what he'd deserve for a 1 year deal. Long term maybe, cause he will get better
 
Semyon Says said:
arb numbers are always short term deals....

you dont know whether they have been talking long term or not by what was made public.

i would bet barrie wants long term at 7 and i could see the avs saying long term at 6 or just shy of.
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Oops my bad, it only makes sense
 
Number1RedWingsFan52 said:
But Barrie is asking for 1x6 which means that he has no desire to play in Colorado long term. Unless it's a sign and trade deal like that to say Edmonton or another club.
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It's arbitration, the maximum term is 2 years. How does him wanting one year over two indicate a damn thing about what he wants? Your mental gymnastics are ludicrous.
 
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