Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)

[AslanRH]

Where does he rank in ES production over the last handful of years? He is worth 6mil.

on a 6-8 year deal I'd agree, but I doubt Newport would. Since I subscribe to that false narrative you have exposed, I could be holding any possible defensive liabilities against him even though they don't really exist.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

You mean he wasn't honest, and stuck the option that logically should have been at the top of the list under 10 other options where nobody would look for it in the hopes of skewing results to support his agenda? You don't say.

Actually fun fact my agenda is that he should be getting a good amount and is a #2.

I totally forgot the option

Also fun fact I picked the wrong option for myself as well

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Could this not apply to Barrie too?

Has he been responsible for a few goals against, sure. He's not the sieve you claim he is.

Of course that applies to Barrie. That applies to everyone. I didn't bring up the stat though to try and prove anything.

Sieve? There you go again exaggerating what I say to make your argument look better.

 

[Ezekial]

If he signs a multi year deal I could see his AAV being ~6.25
6 year $37.5 mil
5.5-5.5-5.5-7-7-7

Or make it easy 6 year $36 million
5-5-5-7-7-7

 

[strictlyrandy]

Of course that applies to Barrie. That applies to everyone. I didn't bring up the stat though to try and prove anything.

Sieve? There you go again exaggerating what I say to make your argument look better.

You've posted several times about Barrie being worse defensively than Holden, the same Holden who is fighting for a roster spot on the NYR right now. With Guenin removed, Holden is absolutely the last guy I want in the defensive zone. You make these claims of Barrie being a one trick pony, and then claim that you never said he was a sieve? Everything you've said about his defensive play makes it appear that that is exactly what you think of him.

You also accused me of using a strawman argument, I don't know if you know what that term means, because you used it incorrectly. I was being hyperbolic. There is a difference.

You, as others, are making Barrie out as if he's absolutely brutal in the defensive zone. That's really not the case. He's got his flaws (and I think Nolan Pratt is going to work wonders on those with him), but a liability in the defensive zone he is not. If anything, I think Farrish's old system was more at fault as he and Barrie (and I've said this before in this thread) never meshed. I think his D system (hello EJ in the D zone chasing a guy around to the point) was brutal for the makeup of this team.

Anyway, just don't bother replying, because it's clear that you think Barrie is a turd in the defensive zone and I disagree there and it won't change. You've even stooped so low as to make personal attacks, which just aren't needed.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Does his arb decision come out,today if they don't agree on an extension?

 

[Irishguy42]

Does his arb decision come out,today if they don't agree on an extension?

No. The hearing is scheduled for today. If they go through with the hearing, the decision likely comes out in a few days (since it's the weekend, probably Tue/Wed).

That being said, they can settle any time before the arbitrator gives their decision.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

No. The hearing is scheduled for today. If they go through with the hearing, the decision likely comes out in a few days (since it's the weekend, probably Tue/Wed).

That being said, they can settle any time before the arbitrator gives their decision.

Thanks, for some reason I thought the hearing was Wednesday.

 

[glovesave_35]

Right, but he is a defenseman. His game needs to be more than scoring if he wants $6M.

It's actually been proven time and again that that isn't true.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Does his arb decision come out,today if they don't agree on an extension?

Do not believe so.

 

[tucker3434]

Right, but he is a defenseman. His game needs to be more than scoring if he wants $6M.

If he was a good defender too, he'd be trying to get Subban money. $6m isn't what it used to be.

 

[Ezekial]

If he was a good defender too, he'd be trying to get Subban money. $6m isn't what it used to be.

He's not gonna ask for Subban money in an RFA year.

 

[vaiski]

Yandle is a good player comparable. Barrie has some RFA years left, so that would take his price down a bit, but he is a right shot and the years he is selling are better than Yandle's. I'd say the MacKinnon deal would be fair value if they go long term instead.

 

[tucker3434]

He's not gonna ask for Subban money in an RFA year.

Subban did, but that is beside the point. Barrie's not going to ask for it ever, because that's the amount complete defenders make these days, not $6m. $6m is perfectly reasonable for a guy that sits around top ten in points for defenders.

 

[Ezekial]

Subban did, but that is beside the point. Barrie's not going to ask for it ever, because that's the amount complete defenders make these days, not $6m. $6m is perfectly reasonable for a guy that sits around top ten in points for defenders.

PK Subban made 7 million in the RFA years of his current contract. The AAV of the contract was 9.

 

[tucker3434]

PK Subban made 7 million in the RFA years of his current contract. The AAV of the contract was 9.

And he makes $11m in his first UFA year. So what? All that matters is the AAV. If Barrie would sign a deal that started him at $9m and stepped all the way down to $3 for an AAV of $6, I'd do that in a heartbeat. I don't care how much he makes in what year.

Edit: You're talking about in Arb. No, he wouldn't ask for $9m in arb, but he would long term if he was that good. I bet Barrie would sign long term for not much over is $6m ask.

 

[THall4]

Does his arb decision come out,today if they don't agree on an extension?

His hearing is scheduled for 7:00am EST today.

Lol - his Arb hearing is on watch on TSN1260 here in Edmonton.

 

[Jarey Curry]

His hearing is scheduled for 7:00am EST today.

Lol - his Arb hearing is on watch on TSN1260 here in Edmonton.

I wanna see it...

 

[Ezekial]

And he makes $11m in his first UFA year. So what? All that matters is the AAV. If Barrie would sign a deal that started him at $9m and stepped all the way down to $3 for an AAV of $6, I'd do that in a heartbeat. I don't care how much he makes in what year.

Edit: You're talking about in Arb. No, he wouldn't ask for $9m in arb, but he would long term if he was that good. I bet Barrie would sign long term for not much over is $6m ask.

RFA status is very imprtant to overall contract structure. Barrie having 3 years affects it greatly.
So do I

If he signs a multi year deal I could see his AAV being ~6.25
6 year $37.5 mil
5.5-5.5-5.5-7-7-7

Or make it easy 6 year $36 million
5-5-5-7-7-7

 

[strictlyrandy]

Sad that a pre arb deal didn't get done. Figure they still get one done before the award is set though. Just hoping they don't botch this like the previous regime did with ROR.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Sad that a pre arb deal didn't get done. Figure they still get one done before the award is set though. Just hoping they don't botch this like the previous regime did with ROR.

It has already been botched. Not as bad as ROR with the Lacroix family, but this has already been screwed up without any doubt.

 

[THall4]

At this point you have to think the Barrie camp will likely be unwilling to commit long term to the AVS and perhaps vice-versa.

Rarely to players and their teams actually go to arb...and rarely do they end up married together for the long term.

I hope im wrong - but selfishly, I hope im right

 

[xbestboybandever]

At this point you have to think the Barrie camp will likely be unwilling to commit long term to the AVS and perhaps vice-versa.

Rarely to players and their teams actually go to arb...and rarely do they end up married together for the long term.

I hope im wrong - but selfishly, I hope im right

It's really difficult to know what the exact offers were, but we do know that Sakic offered a long term deal during the draft and Barrie's camp turned it down in favor of this. Newport also realizes the Avs have a lot more leverage by controlling his RFA rights for 3 more years, thus why they asked for the 1 year reward. I believe Barrie is on his way out, but the Avs are willing to wait for a team to pay the price that they set on him.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Sakic with dat elite GMing.

Not happening. Sakic has said that one way or the other, Barrie is remaining in an Avs jersey. He likes the kid and I'm willing to bet a long term deal is reached before arbitration.

There's a big difference between filing for arbitration and going for arbitration.

The Avs have all the power at the moment. This situation was handled properly. Newport wanted over-payment, we wanted a fair team oriented deal, in the end the Avs will most likely come out on top of this.

I expect a similar resolution here whether Barrie is deadset on a figure higher than what his BFF just signed with us for, or not. If he isn't then a long term deal will get hammered out & announced before the arbitration date. And if he is, we'll see a short term contract signed just before arbitration (like with ROR) this time around; and a trade to a club ready to pay him what he's insisting on by the time he's next up for a contract.

But I guess he learned from the ROR situation, amirite?