Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] Tyson Barrie (4 years, $5.5M AAV)

[dahrougem2]

If anyone thinks all Tyson Barrie and Newport are asking for on a long-term contract is somewhere between 5-6M AAV, you're fooling yourself. Newport asked for 6M per on a 1-year deal. Just 1 RFA year. You think they're going to settle for that exact same amount on a long-term deal? Come on now.

People can spill the narrative all they want that Sakic is a poor GM who doesn't negotiate well, but last I checked he signed Gabriel Landeskog, Matt Duchene, Semyon Varlamov, Erik Johnson, and Nathan MacKinnon without any issues whatsoever. Those 5 players were more than happy to play ball and negotiate properly with Sakic, and they were all paid market value. Could they all have gotten more on the open market if they held out and continuously went to arbitration just to become UFA's? Absolutely. But they didn't. They were reasonable, and Sakic was more than fair with contracts he gave them.

There's a common underlying factor in the two negotiations Sakic has supposedly had "trouble" with, and that's Newport. It takes two to tango in a negotiation, and Newport clearly isn't willing to dance. Just look at the players they represent. This isn't new. The difference between Barrie and ROR is that the Avs hold the power this time due to Barrie having 3 RFA years left.

If this doesn't end in a long-term contract, Barrie will be traded.

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

Why are you so concerned about the actions of a GM that isn't at all involved with your team? It seems like you have something personal against Sakic.

Absolute worst case scenario, the Avs get Barrie for 2 more years at $6m (Barrie's full asking price). If he doesn't want to sign an extension at that point, they trade him as an RFA after those 2 years are up, and get a huge return. Or, I guess absolute worst case would be that he has a career ending injury in the next 2 years and they lose him for nothing, but that could happen with anyone.

Agitation, you probably make some pretty good assumptions on that poster. Pyschology. Hes here to ruffle feathers, and looking to be doing a good job.

Hopefully, well see a long term deal signed soon

 

[CorgisPer60]

I posted this on the Jets board in the Trouba contract discussion topic.

Wonder if Barrie's arbitration hearing has an impact on Trouba's negotiations? Barrie wants $6, team offering $4-$4.5. Sounds similar to where Trouba and Jets COULD be in their talks.

I'm sure that he'd love to use him as a comparable, but Barrie has a much better offensive game, so eh. I'm dreadfully curious about the contract demand by Barrie. What is his end game here? Forcing a trade? Trying to get the Avs to walk away from an arbitration award? How many years will the arbiter give - one or two? That QO next year will be massive if he's awarded what he wants. I don't see the Avs doing that. I fully believe that Barrie will be traded.

It's also part of the reason why I'm a big fan of not giving bridge contracts to exceptional young players. Lock them up for the long-term, buy a couple of UFA years, and absolutely avoid the arbitration process.

 

[strictlyrandy]

I posted this on the Jets board in the Trouba contract discussion topic.



I'm sure that he'd love to use him as a comparable, but Barrie has a much better offensive game, so eh. I'm dreadfully curious about the contract demand by Barrie. What is his end game here? Forcing a trade? Trying to get the Avs to walk away from an arbitration award? How many years will the arbiter give - one or two? That QO next year will be massive if he's awarded what he wants. I don't see the Avs doing that. I fully believe that Barrie will be traded.

It's also part of the reason why I'm a big fan of not giving bridge contracts to exceptional young players. Lock them up for the long-term, buy a couple of UFA years, and absolutely avoid the arbitration process.

Avs get to choose whether it's for one or two years I believe. I don't think Barrie is pushing to be traded, just that it's possible that that is an outcome. Sakic seems intent on keeping Barrie for at least this coming year, so I wouldn't expect a trade til next off season at the earliest.

As far as value goes, what the Avs are asking in arbitration doesn't mesh with how they value him, it's just a starting point. Rumor is that they offered Barrie a long term contract that was fair for both sides, but the Barrie camp wanted more. I don't know how much Barrie expects with the Avs core all being locked in at under 6.5 million. He's a great player, but I also don't see why he should be the highest paid player on the roster.

As far as an award goes, I think the Avs may choose two years for whatever and I don't see Barrie getting more than 5.5 per year as an award. It's an interesting situation as I still feel that a long term deal isn't impossible to reach before the award is decided. No matter what, Barrie will be an Av this coming season. If he doesn't receive a long term contract, he'll be playing to earn another contract and to prove why he feels he's worth what he's asking, so that benefits the Avs camp as well. It's a win-win for the Avs in that case. If Barrie doesn't perform, they end up not paying him as much, if Barrie does perform and the Avs don't want to sign him, his trade value increases. I've got faith in Sakic on this one.

 

[Mr Positive]

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As far as value goes, what the Avs are asking in arbitration doesn't mesh with how they value him, it's just a starting point. Rumor is that they offered Barrie a long term contract that was fair for both sides, but the Barrie camp wanted more. I don't know how much Barrie expects with the Avs core all being locked in at under 6.5 million. He's a great player, but I also don't see why he should be the highest paid player on the roster...

Of course Barrie should get more. All those other 6 million dollar players didn't have to go through a bridge deal. They got signed up without having to prove themselves. Barrie did, and put up big numbers. In a long term deal he's giving up UFA years.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Of course Barrie should get more. All those other 6 million dollar players didn't have to go through a bridge deal. They got signed up without having to prove themselves. Barrie did, and put up big numbers. In a long term deal he's giving up UFA years.

What are you talking about? Duchene did the bridge deal after having a down year. Barrie's numbers are what they are, but his defensive acumen is what is lacking. He's not the best player on this team, and he will not be paid as though he is.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I feel it, Klein and Ottawas 2018 2nd for Barrie

 

[tucker3434]

I feel it, Klein and Ottawas 2018 2nd for Barrie

It's just gas.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

2 years 5.5
1 at 4.7 another at 6.3 ?

 

[Mr Positive]

What are you talking about? Duchene did the bridge deal after having a down year. Barrie's numbers are what they are, but his defensive acumen is what is lacking. He's not the best player on this team, and he will not be paid as though he is.

I actually wasn't aware of Duchene's bridge, but it still applies to MacKinnon and Duchene. When comparing against the rest of the league for Dmen, as an offensive producer Barrie is in elite company. Duchene is very good but not in a similar tier as a forward. I know defensive play counts for something too, but it's usually offensive production that gets the money in the league. If Barrie were great defensively, he would be one of the best Dmen in the league and I'm sure his demand would be sky high.

 

[tucker3434]

I actually wasn't aware of Duchene's bridge, but it still applies to MacKinnon and Duchene. When comparing against the rest of the league for Dmen, as an offensive producer Barrie is in elite company. Duchene is very good but not in a similar tier. I know defensive play counts for something too, but it's usually offensive production that gets the money in the league. If Barrie were great defensively, he would be one of the best Dmen in the league and I'm sure his demand would be sky high.

Barrie is good, but Duchene is the one in another tier. I'm willing to pay what Barrie wants mostly because without him our defense takes a very big hit.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Barrie is good, but Duchene is the one in another tier. I'm willing to pay what Barrie wants mostly because without him our defense takes a very big hit.

I just think it depends on how his production is replaced. I would be ecstatic if we somehow swung Barrie for a package that had Tanev in it. His point totals can be replaced by the team allowing fewer goals with a better defensive option on the ice. Barrie is a good d-man, but the team needs a better defensive option with a better break out pass and a better shot from the point. That's how the team gets better.

 

[tucker3434]

I just think it depends on how his production is replaced. I would be ecstatic if we somehow swung Barrie for a package that had Tanev in it. His point totals can be replaced by the team allowing fewer goals with a better defensive option on the ice. Barrie is a good d-man, but the team needs a better defensive option with a better break out pass and a better shot from the point. That's how the team gets better.

Sure. I think that's probably why we were trying to get Trouba. But I don't think that type of defender is traded away very often. I doubt Vancouver is very interested in trading Tanev. If our hand is forced and we have to trade Barrie, I think we'll get good value, but I'll be shocked if a Barrie level player is coming back. And we're right back to hoping the prospects work and/or signing stopgaps out of UFA. It just seems ridiculous to me that, considering how long we've needed defenders, we may be shipping out the very thing we've been hoping the prospect pool would produce.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Sure. I think that's probably why we were trying to get Trouba. But I don't think that type of defender is traded away very often. I doubt Vancouver is very interested in trading Tanev. If our hand is forced and we have to trade Barrie, I think we'll get good value, but I'll be shocked if a Barrie level player is coming back. And we're right back to hoping the prospects work and/or signing stopgaps out of UFA. It just seems ridiculous to me that, considering how long we've needed defenders, we may be shipping out the very thing we've been hoping the prospect pool would produce.

That's the slippery slope with Barrie. While yes, he is a great product from the system, he falls into the same category as Shattenkirk. He doesn't fit the defensive mold the team really needs, so breaking the bank for him is not a reality. Yes, his point production is great, but he feels a better version of Matt Carle or JM Liles.

 

[Seventy7]

Anyone know how long we wait for a judgment on this case?

 

[tucker3434]

That's the slippery slope with Barrie. While yes, he is a great product from the system, he falls into the same category as Shattenkirk. He doesn't fit the defensive mold the team really needs, so breaking the bank for him is not a reality. Yes, his point production is great, but he feels a better version of Matt Carle or JM Liles.

Yeah, but Zadorov and Bigras do fit that mold. I don't think we need three shutdown pairings. I think it's great to have that defender that can essentially be a 4th forward when you're down a goal in the third period. EJ can do a bit of that, but he's no Barrie in that regard.

A defender like Barrie that is used correctly can be a phenomenal asset. Our bottom pairing has been such a dumpster fire, we haven't really even seen what that is yet.

Anyone know how long we wait for a judgment on this case?

48 hours after hearing/tomorrow morning.

 

[Seventy7]

Ive always really liked Tyson Barrie. Yes there are going to be defensive issues when defending the West as a smaller D, but you basically have to weigh the fact that having him on the ice will help your team create scoring chances. Solid player can be found in the opposite sense... lets say in a Tanev whos fantastic at puck retrieval and shot suppression, but lacking in the creativity boat.

Really comes down to team need. At the end of the day you win by scoring goals, so offensive D are the more valueable asset.


Im hoping for a 1 year deal... followed by UFA, and coming home.

 

[Soundwave]

They should've just jumped all over the Oilers earlier in the summer and dealt him for Taylor Hall. I'd then have gone after Demers, Hall + Demers into the Colorado lineup with Barrie out would've really taken their roster to another level.

If they are forced to deal Barrie going forward, likely the eventual return now will be nowhere close.

 

[Jejune]

They should've just jumped all over the Oilers earlier in the summer and dealt him for Taylor Hall. I'd then have gone after Demers, Hall + Demers into the Colorado lineup with Barrie out would've really taken their roster to another level.

If they are forced to deal Barrie going forward, likely the eventual return now will be nowhere close.

I doubt the Oilers would have dealt Hall for Barrie. I really like Barrie and would love to get him, but I do think he's a step below what the Oilers wanted to add to the team. Not a huge step, but a step nonetheless.

 

[Avs44]

Ive always really liked Tyson Barrie. Yes there are going to be defensive issues when defending the West as a smaller D, but you basically have to weigh the fact that having him on the ice will help your team create scoring chances. Solid player can be found in the opposite sense... lets say in a Tanev whos fantastic at puck retrieval and shot suppression, but lacking in the creativity boat.

Really comes down to team need. At the end of the day you win by scoring goals, so offensive D are the more valueable asset.


Im hoping for a 1 year deal... followed by UFA, and coming home.

Avs selected a two year deal, and he'll still be an RFA afterwards, so hope away.

 

[doubledown99]

Stauffer said the chances of Oilers acquiring Barrie are "slim" so Oiler fans move on. He said a lot of things would have to break right for a deal to happen. He also indicated this week that he knows people from both sides (Someone from Avs management and the Barrie side....guessing his agent). He's been predicting a 2 year deal for $5.25ish all week. I guess we will find out tomorrow what the deal will be

 

[tucker3434]

I doubt the Oilers would have dealt Hall for Barrie. I really like Barrie and would love to get him, but I do think he's a step below what the Oilers wanted to add to the team. Not a huge step, but a step nonetheless.

Agreed. The oilers were looking for an anchor. Larsson is much closer to that than Barrie. I'm sure they'd still love to add Barrie, just not at the same cost.

There shouldn't be any talk of it being a mistake that the Avs didn't get Hall. It's highly unlikely that would have ever been on the table for Barrie.

 

[dahrougem2]

Stauffer said the chances of Oilers acquiring Barrie are "slim" so Oiler fans move on. He said a lot of things would have to break right for a deal to happen. He also indicated this week that he knows people from both sides (Someone from Avs management and the Barrie side....guessing his agent). He's been predicting a 2 year deal for $5.25ish all week. I guess we will find out tomorrow what the deal will be

This same Bob Stauffer who ran with Terry Frei's opinion-based article that Roy and Barrie have problems with one another and that the Avs consider Barrie a #5 defensemen?

I understand Stauffer has a ton of sources in Edmonton, and probably a few more around the league, but he's the last guy I expect to have sources in Colorado. Even the top insiders like McKenzie, Friedman, LeBrun etc don't have legitimate sources in Colorado. It's like trying to pry news out of the old Russian KGB when dealing with Colorado. But I don't buy for one second that Stauffer is in the know on this one.

If it's one of Terry Frei or Mike Chambers who is Stauffer's source, well, he REALLY isn't in the know in Colorado.

 

[doubledown99]

^^Like him or hate him but Stauffer does have sources around the league. He has connections at numerous agencies. He has GMs on his show all the time from around the league (just in July he's had Chayka, Nill, Holland and Chia). So a random poster on HF that has zero connections saying Stauffer has no connections with the Avs is kind of funny. How would you even know? Do you have any sources to say he doesn't?

 

[strictlyrandy]

^^Like him or hate him but Stauffer does have sources around the league. He has connections at numerous agencies. He has GMs on his show all the time from around the league (just in July he's had Chayka, Nill, Holland and Chia). So a random poster on HF that has zero connections saying Stauffer has no connections with the Avs is kind of funny. How would you even know? Do you have any sources to say he doesn't?

I believe Stauffer has some sources around the league. What I don't buy is him having any Avs sources not named Frei, Chambers, Dater. Avs are notoriously tight lipped, it's incredibly unlikely that Stauffer is connected to the Avs when the aforementioned top guys can't even get anything out of them.

He very well may have an Avs source, but taking a Frei opinion and running with it as fact certainly doesn't lend to that notion.