hypereconomist
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To Hayley's credit, she wasn't "trying" to play in a men's league. She legitimately did play three seasons of mens pro/semi-pro hockey. We can debate the quality of competition in second- and third-tier Finnish pro hockey or third and fourth-tier Swedish pro hockey, but the fact is that those leagues are filled with tons of players that played in the top Finnish and Swedish junior leagues and compensate their players as legitimate pro/semi-pro leagues. At worst, it's a Junior A-level of hockey.That argument is a lot weaker (golf is extremely physical) and there's a pretty good paper on horse racing that offers a different view there. I do find the argument that the way the sports is designed is quite damaging to men competing compelling and would be interested to read more on that.
You also have chess that has a similar gatekeeping effect - Women have reached the higher rankings but in far less numbers - but in horse dressage for example, women are typically dominating. It's difficult to pinpoint a clear advantage there and these sports also are historically more class bounded - yet no one rational would say higher social classes are guaranteed to be intrinsically better at those sports now. But access skews those numbers.
10 years ago, Hayley Wickenheiser was past trying to play in men's league, Michelle Wie was still trying to make it in the PGA tour. 50 years ago tennis did the battle of the sexes thing. 50 years ago in football crazy countries women were banned by law to play it.
Those issues have always happen since women and men were separated, and said separation is, well, also a clear social agenda with an established narrative. While yes, women and men in riskier contact sports - like hockey or boxing - is not the idea of the century and even so beyond fringe at best, trying to push this as one side having the social agenda is historically inaccurate. You can present perfectly fine arguments without relying to that.
Of course in this thread, the one person that strongly pushed for that view in hockey stopped talking three months ago and it has not stopped people from circlejerking but.
The absolute best of the best female players have proven that they can hang with the bottom of the men's hockey pyramid - e.g. look at the handful of female goalies that were regulars at the Jr. A level (e.g. Shannon Szabados being the AJHL goalie of the year in the 00s) and have played games at the SPHL/CHL/WCHL-levels without looking too out of place.
For me, that's the whole crux of the issue with Chloe Primarano. We're not talking about the law of averages. With her level of dominance over her female peers, is she a generational female hockey player that can actually handle men's hockey? If she is the next coming of Wickenheiser or Ruggiero, she should be given a chance to at least give the men's game a try without judgement to see if she can continue to elevate the women's game.