Chloe Primarano becomes the first female to be selected in the WHL Bantam Draft

[Kcoyote3]

It took this thread to bring back the old school internet forum paragraph-slinging circular arguments that we all grew up with and remember. It's like turning the dial on an old TV. Like sitting on a park bench without looking at your phone. Lost to time. This is art.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The average height of men in America last time I checked was 5'11" lol

So I'm sorry to inform you but the genetic lottery is the generic lottery.

Also circling back round to this thread, bone density varies radically from NFL o lineman to the clerk who works with Geek Squad



Let's be honest, NFL o lineman (and d) are the only "elite/pro athletes" on earth who are obese (and I ain't including sumos lol)

Yeah and Dustin Byfuglien, Dustin Penner and Patrick Maroon are a bit uhh thicker than long distance runners. There isn't much of a point here.

 

[Nfumass]

Agree with every word.

I love your mention of Gerbe. The amount of times that guy must have been told that he'd never play in the NHL...and he didn't listen. I admire that. He never met a leg day he didn't love and it showed because that little mother f***er was a pain in the ass.

I played against Gerbe in college, I was fast that guy was stupid fast, hell of a career for a guy that size in the era he played in.

 

[Northerner]

Yeah and Dustin Byfuglien, Dustin Penner and Patrick Maroon are a bit uhh thicker than long distance runners. There isn't much of a point here.

Penner wasn't obese; Marron isn't obese. Byfuglien is the one guy I thought when I took discussion this direction. I don't know if when he was playing he was obese.

But let's say he was. One outlier in memory?

How many 5'10" o linemen have there been in modern NFL?

It took this thread to bring back the old school internet forum paragraph-slinging circular arguments that we all grew up with and remember. It's like turning the dial on an old TV. Like sitting on a park bench without looking at your phone. Lost to time. This is art.

Lol

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I played against Gerbe in college, I was fast that guy was stupid fast, hell of a career for a guy that size in the era he played in.

The man played over 400 NHL games, and made an impact in many of them, in the 21st century at a height of 5'4". That's really inspiring.

 

[Northerner]

The man played over 400 NHL games, and made an impact in many of them, in the 21st century at a height of 5'4". That's really inspiring.

And Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" played 14 yrs in NBA and WON THE DUNK CONTEST, yet Brittney Griner 6'9" and has dunked once on record lol

 

[TheGreenTBer]

And Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" played 14 yrs in NBA and WON THE DUNK CONTEST, yet Brittney Griner 6'9" and has dunked once on record lol

Spud Webb won the dunk contest at 5'7'", I think you got those guys mixed up, but I agree with your point.

 

[Northerner]

Spud Webb won the dunk contest at 5'7'", I think you got those guys mixed up, but I agree with your point.

Oh my bad. Was Spudd. Bogues absolutely stuff it tho. Spudd I think 5'6"

 

[WarriorofTime]

Penner wasn't obese; Marron isn't obese. Byfuglien is the one guy I thought when I took discussion this direction. I don't know if when he was playing he was obese.

But let's say he was. One outlier in memory?

How many 5'10" o linemen have there been in modern NFL?

I really don't understand your obsession with the weight of OL. They are big dudes because it's useful for their sport. If they can't move well, they won't play. This isn't your Uncle Larry that needs to lay off the Christmas sweets.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I really don't understand your obsession with the weight of OL. They are big dudes because it's useful for their sport. If they can't move well, they won't play. This isn't your Uncle Larry that needs to lay off the Christmas sweets.

What if your Uncle Larry was Larry Allen?

Imagine an uncle that benches over 700 lbs and can chase down a linebacker from behind. That's terrifying.

 

[WarriorofTime]

What if your Uncle Larry was Larry Allen?

Imagine an uncle that benches over 700 lbs and can chase down a linebacker from behind. That's terrifying.

good point

 

[Northerner]

I really don't understand your obsession with the weight of OL. They are big dudes because it's useful for their sport. If they can't move well, they won't play. This isn't your Uncle Larry that needs to lay off the Christmas sweets.

Bone density is a very real thing tho too, and their height. These are not thing the vast majority of Western males are blessed with. Like I said ave height of American male is 5'11".

The genetic lottery. It's similar w IQ. While sure I think you can improve your IQ if your parents are keeping your head in the books, doesn't mean you're going to get into MIT. Read every book there is, but if you weren't born with familial history of high IQ, then you probably aren't getting into MIT

Same with genius guitarists. I could play and practice every second of my life but I will never be as good as Marcus King.


I don't deny that NFL o linemen work their tails off, but they absolutely won the o lineman gene profile lottery too.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Bone density is a very real thing tho too, and their height. These are not thing the vast majority of Western males are blessed with. Like I said ave height of American male is 5'11".

Hockey is one of the least accessible sports on the planet....

The genetic lottery. It's similar w IQ. While sure I think you can improve your IQ if your parents are keeping your head in the books, doesn't mean you're going to get into MIT. Read every book there is, but if you weren't born with familial history of high IQ, then you probably aren't getting into MIT

and if you aren't born near ice rinks or your parents don't have a lot of money or you don't start when you're really little, you'll never be that good at hockey despite whatever athletic genes you have... there's more lotteries than just how tall or bone dense you are

I don't deny that NFL o linemen work their tails off, but they absolutely won the o lineman gene profile lottery too.

every pro athlete won some sort of gene lotto

 

[Northerner]

Hockey is one of the least accessible sports on the planet....

and if you aren't born near ice rinks or your parents don't have a lot of money or you don't start when you're really little, you'll never be that good at hockey despite whatever athletic genes you have... there's more lotteries than just how tall or bone dense you are

every pro athlete won some sort of gene lotto

But track is not. And women have been in track for a long time now.

Would be interesting to see difference between women short and long distance runners vs men, from 60 yrs ago vs today, and if the gap has closed at all, or perhaps even grown larger?


That

 

[wetcoast]

I know they're incredibly important. Particularly Left tackle.

But that doesn't mean their actions (pushing and pulling) aren't terribly athletic acts. I mean has I been blessed with 6'6" 330lb frame I might have made it to the NFL.

Now I am 6' tall, but Jarred Spurgeon I could never dream of ever being as good as in a thousand lifetimes.

That is the difference between brute strength (o line) and flat out athleticism (an NHLer who is 5'10" but spends 10 yrs in NHL)

It's also not just about size but it's about footwork and strategy, my son played line and would often "beat" players who had 30-50 lbs on him because of technique and football IQ but as players go up the ladder into higher ranks the bigger and faster ones excel because everyone is an incredible athlete in the NFL...well maybe not all the kickers...lol

 

[Northerner]

It's also not just about size but it's about footwork and strategy, my son played line and would often "beat" players who had 30-50 lbs on him because of technique and football IQ but as players go up the ladder into higher ranks the bigger and faster ones excel because everyone is an incredible athlete in the NFL...well maybe not all the kickers...lol

Size is a massive part of it.


There's a reason there are so many weight classes in boxing and that even having a few pound advantage over your opponent in boxing can be viewed as having a big advantage.


I don't deny o lineman have skill I just think that the weight factor plays too big a role in their athleticism.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

where are the mods what am i reading

 

[Northerner]

where are the mods what am i reading

It's a very civil discussion on the topic at hand. No personal attacks, just discussions. What's the problem? Don't like free speech?

 

[wetcoast]

Size is a massive part of it.


There's a reason there are so many weight classes in boxing and that even having a few pound advantage over your opponent in boxing can be viewed as having a big advantage.


I don't deny o lineman have skill I just think that the weight factor plays too big a role in their athleticism.

It's part of the game just like one rarely see a center smaller than 5'8" in hockey or basketball where size is at a premium.

Lineman aren't just big they are elite athletes for their size.

 

[S E P H]

Not that I care about what's been going in for the past 5-8 pages, however, I think tennis is a great example to bring into this discussion. Serena Williams was one of the most dominant female tennis players ever in the history of the sport. A lot claim that she is the best to ever play it and when she played against men, she lost to the 50th best male tennis player. Brethren, we're talking about the 50th best, which means she is still better than a lot of men like semi-pros and lower-ranked men, but she would be irrelevant except to tennis nuts that pay attention to 50th-ranked tennis players. I for one love tennis, but I do not pay attention to a player that low because they rarely win anything.

Now try to put a hockey version of Serena Williams in a physical sport. It makes PERFECT sense that all the hype Primarano has gotten so far has been against boys before puberty and just starting puberty. She isn't going to survive against 20+ year-old males like how she's played against 13-16-year-old males. And you know what? That's okay. If she wants to try and play with the men, then she should have all the freedom to do that and if she gets a concussion in her first shift, then should understood the risks by trying.

 

[Northerner]

It's part of the game just like one rarely see a center smaller than 5'8" in hockey or basketball where size is at a premium.

Lineman aren't just big they are elite athletes for their size.

But again, you still will never hear an NFL pundit (ex pro) label o linemen "skill players".

 

[Fatass]

Not that I care about what's been going in for the past 5-8 pages, however, I think tennis is a great example to bring into this discussion. Serena Williams was one of the most dominant female tennis players ever in the history of the sport. A lot claim that she is the best to ever play it and when she played against men, she lost to the 50th best male tennis player. Brethren, we're talking about the 50th best, which means she is still better than a lot of men like semi-pros and lower-ranked men, but she would be irrelevant except to tennis nuts that pay attention to 50th-ranked tennis players. I for one love tennis, but I do not pay attention to a player that low because they rarely win anything.

Now try to put a hockey version of Serena Williams in a physical sport. It makes PERFECT sense that all the hype Primarano has gotten so far has been against boys before puberty and just starting puberty. She isn't going to survive against 20+ year-old males like how she's played against 13-16-year-old males. And you know what? That's okay. If she wants to try and play with the men, then she should have all the freedom to do that and if she gets a concussion in her first shift, then should understood the risks by trying.

Don’t know about having women playing collision sports with men. At some point physics and biology come into play. And the women (in this case a girl) is going to get badly injured. Women are women and men are men and it’s okay to accept there are differences. It’s not like this girl is going to play rec hockey against guys who are just out for fun and kind of suck. Elite male collision sports are no place for females.
There’s a professional woman’s league now.

 

[joe66]

Not that I care about what's been going in for the past 5-8 pages, however, I think tennis is a great example to bring into this discussion. Serena Williams was one of the most dominant female tennis players ever in the history of the sport. A lot claim that she is the best to ever play it and when she played against men, she lost to the 50th best male tennis player. Brethren, we're talking about the 50th best, which means she is still better than a lot of men like semi-pros and lower-ranked men, but she would be irrelevant except to tennis nuts that pay attention to 50th-ranked tennis players. I for one love tennis, but I do not pay attention to a player that low because they rarely win anything.

Now try to put a hockey version of Serena Williams in a physical sport. It makes PERFECT sense that all the hype Primarano has gotten so far has been against boys before puberty and just starting puberty. She isn't going to survive against 20+ year-old males like how she's played against 13-16-year-old males. And you know what? That's okay. If she wants to try and play with the men, then she should have all the freedom to do that and if she gets a concussion in her first shift, then should understood the risks by trying.

She lost to the 203rd-ranked German Karsten Braasch. He bested both Serena Williams and Venus Williams back-to-back at the 1998 Australian Open.

 

[S E P H]

She lost to the 203rd-ranked German Karsten Braasch who beat both Serena Williams and Venus Williams back-to-back at the 1998 Australian Open.

That definitely doesn't help her case even further.

 

[wetcoast]

But again, you still will never hear an NFL pundit (ex pro) label o linemen "skill players".

That's because Football is all about the QB and QB's know how important their offesnive line is.