Chloe Primarano becomes the first female to be selected in the WHL Bantam Draft

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

She needs one good hit and she’s done playing in that league. And when that happens whoever hit her will be hated and ridiculed by the woke mafia for the rest of his life.

 

[bigdog16]

Are the biological differences between the worst male player and the best female really bigger than the biological difference between Zdeno Chara and Nathan Gerbe? Outliers happen. Not saying it'll be her but I don't doubt that it's possible for a female player to come in and be more effective than, say, Tanner Glass.

Lol Tanner Glass was a PPG NCAA player. This is not a good argument

 

[Vikz]

Are the biological differences between the worst male player and the best female really bigger than the biological difference between Zdeno Chara and Nathan Gerbe?

Yes, they are. There are a lot of cases, which are not well reported or documented, when a star woman athlete lost against a mediocre man. US football national team against boys U-15 club, Serena Williams against male tennis player ranked in 200's. Then there are all those stories with biological men who identify as women entering swimming competitions and destroying the opposition. And those arent even contact sports. As others pointed out, a woman is not a "small man". A woman may be as tall or as heavy as a man, but still wont get close to his physique.

The lines are getting blurier, though. Not only in sports, but in other professions. Women succeed in jobs that were reserved exclusively for men just a few decades ago. Maybe it will translate in to sport. Who knows, how many excelent women hockey players never emerged, simply because women did not start playing hockey, considering it a men's sport. Will be interesting to follow carreers of the likes of Primarano and Lopusanova. They might actually one day make it in the men's leagues. I highly doubt it will be the NHL, though.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Are the biological differences between the worst male player and the best female really bigger than the biological difference between Zdeno Chara and Nathan Gerbe? Outliers happen. Not saying it'll be her but I don't doubt that it's possible for a female player to come in and be more effective than, say, Tanner Glass.

This post is completely out of touch with reality.

 

[BondraTime]

You clearly have no idea how good someone has to be to play in the NHL

It’s absolutely insane to me that people don’t understand the difference. It’s ridiculously massive.

Anyone with eyes, and who doesn’t want to will something into existence for the sake of it, knows how ridiculous it is.

Primerano is a ridiculously, ridiculously good hockey player. She undoubtedly was good enough, at 14, to be drafted, she was better than many of the guys drafted ahead of her. She is too good for the league she is in now.

Unfortunately, that’s as good as she will ever get compared to those peers, and it will be harder and harder every year moving forward. She’s going to be a top Women’s player for another 2 decades.

That’s not putting her down, that’s not building her peers up, it’s just the absolute bare minimum bit of common sense.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It’s absolutely insane to me that people don’t understand the difference. It’s ridiculously massive.

Anyone with eyes, and who doesn’t want to will something into existence for the sake of it, knows how ridiculous it is.

Yeah, Hayley Wickenheiser, arguably the best female hockey player of all time, could barely hack it in a 3rd tier Finnish league.

Tanner Glass would have torn that league to shreds.

 

[coooldude]

She needs one good hit and she’s done playing in that league. And when that happens whoever hit her will be hated and ridiculed by the woke mafia for the rest of his life.

No they won't, so long as it's not a dirty hit. If it's a dirty hit, then they'll be ridiculed like a lot of dirty players. And some assholes will cheer it on, because they're so butt hurt about a woman playing in a league they don't think she should be playing in because reasons.

You guys are all being way too sensitive about this. If she's skilled enough to play in the league and wants to take the risk herself, so what? Let her play. She gets injured, it was her decision. Nobody's asking anyone to change any rules, nobody's saying the league should be full co-ed. I wonder if you all are against woman firefighters and cops who pass all the same physical requirements, because "cops and firefighters should be men and that's that."

EDIT: it goes without saying that if she's not skilled enough to play in the league, then she shouldn't play in the league.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Lol Tanner Glass was a PPG NCAA player. This is not a good argument

Tanner Glass never hit PPG and didn't start his NCAA career until his 20 year old season. He was just below PPG in his 22 and 23 year old seasons. Nothing special at all lol. Age matters.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Tanner Glass never hit PPG and didn't start his NCAA career until his 20 year old season. He was just below PPG in his 22 and 23 year old seasons. Nothing special at all lol. Age matters.

I think the point it is that even the worst regular NHL players are miles better than the best women's players of all time. The only possible exception to this rule would be pure enforcers, but even then they'd probably fair better in the 3rd Finnish league than Wickenheiser. And they weren't in the NHL because they were good hockey players.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

She was drafted in the 13th round people need to just get over it and realize it was a feel good story and good promotion. You guys are taking this too far.

She is however crazy elite at the Womans level

 

[bigdog16]

Tanner Glass never hit PPG and didn't start his NCAA career until his 20 year old season. He was just below PPG in his 22 and 23 year old seasons. Nothing special at all lol. Age matters.

Lol regardless, she wouldn’t be able to hold her own in ACHA club hockey, forget about NCAA.

 

[LeProspector]

The Cale Makar of womans hockey

 

[Northerner]

Lol regardless, she wouldn’t be able to hold her own in ACHA club hockey, forget about NCAA.

Personally I don't think she'd be effective playing Minnesota boys varsity HS hockey. But I guess I could be wrong. I doubt it tho. I don't know if I've ever heard of a female ever playing boys varsity here, except for a goalie at a weaker school maybe twice.

Insinuating she could even sniff NCAA is absurdity on another level. I played w guys who went on to NCAA and they were so good it's scary.

 

[FlyguyOX]

No they won't, so long as it's not a dirty hit. If it's a dirty hit, then they'll be ridiculed like a lot of dirty players. And some assholes will cheer it on, because they're so butt hurt about a woman playing in a league they don't think she should be playing in because reasons.

You guys are all being way too sensitive about this. If she's skilled enough to play in the league and wants to take the risk herself, so what? Let her play. She gets injured, it was her decision. Nobody's asking anyone to change any rules, nobody's saying the league should be full co-ed. I wonder if you all are against woman firefighters and cops who pass all the same physical requirements, because "cops and firefighters should be men and that's that."

EDIT: it goes without saying that if she's not skilled enough to play in the league, then she shouldn't play in the league.

I mean, yeah, a woman firefighter is highly unlikely to carry me out of a burning fire... if they pass a physical requirement it's because the standards were lowered like in the military.

Personally I don't think she'd be effective playing Minnesota boys varsity HS hockey. But I guess I could be wrong. I doubt it tho. I don't know if I've ever heard of a female ever playing boys varsity here, except for a goalie at a weaker school maybe twice.

Insinuating she could even sniff NCAA is absurdity on another level. I played w guys who went on to NCAA and they were so good it's scary.

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage

The match was in preparation for Thursday's USWNT friendly versus Russia

www.cbssports.com

 

[JKG33]

I think the point it is that even the worst regular NHL players are miles better than the best women's players of all time. The only possible exception to this rule would be pure enforcers, but even then they'd probably fair better in the 3rd Finnish league than Wickenheiser. And they weren't in the NHL because they were good hockey players.

I was in high school during the last lockout. A bunch of NHLers from Winnipeg would rent ice where my high school team practiced. We got to skate with them a couple times. Possibly the worst player from the NHL group was Ryan Reaves, and he was astronomically better than anyone from my HS group. It wasn't even close.

Now considering the best women's teams lose to boys teams not unlike my HS team, and my team was miles below a 3rd tier Finnish team (let alone NHLers like Reaves)... yea, women playing men's hockey makes 0 sense.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I was in high school during the last lockout. A bunch of NHLers from Winnipeg would rent ice where my high school team practiced. We got to skate with them a couple times. Possibly the worst player from the NHL group was Ryan Reaves, and he was astronomically better than anyone from my HS group. It wasn't even close.

Now considering the best women's teams lose to boys teams not unlike my HS team, and my team was miles below a 3rd tier Finnish team (let alone NHLers like Reaves)... yea, women playing men's hockey makes 0 sense.

Anyone who has played at a high enough level knows how absolutely insane even the worst NHL players are. I've shared ice a bunch of times with current/former NHL and AHLers and it's like nothing most fans can understand.

 

[WarriorofTime]

2 years ago she played in the boy’s CSSHL U15, and was 2nd in scoring among dmen on her team. This is elite U15 men’s hockey, a very common path to the WHL - like from the last draft, Bedard, Danielson, Benson, Cristall, Wood, etc. all played in the CSSHL. She absolutely had the skill to compete with same age CSSHL players then, and I think she still has comparable skill. There are plenty of U18 CSSHL players who don’t have skating, hands and shots this good:

Girls can play with boys up until a certain level. Certainly ages 12, 13 and in the case of a super talented one like Primarano, U15. Unfortunately though, that is where it stops. Girls tend to mature physically faster than boys, and are often done growing around grades 6-8, whereas boys will get a big ol' boost of testosterone and grow much taller and physically stronger throughout their mid to late teenage years.

A really skilled player like Primarano likely could play at a U18 level and maybe into Juniors, but it wouldn't be particularly good for her development as she'd have to specifically adapt her play to being one of the smaller, weaker and slower players on the ice based around skill and positioning. While she may be able to hang in there without getting too embarrassed and as long as she plays smart enough, avoid being on the receiving end of any particularly devastating hits, it's unlikely her goal is just to go as far as she can until she tops out and quits hockey playing with boys, but to be one of the best female players ever which is her potential.

At some point (i.e., now) it just makes far more sense to play against girls where she is not at a physical disadvantage and can use her physical traits to her advantage to continue on her quest towards college, women's pro hockey and the olympics. I think all this talk of a hypothetical woman out there hypothetically being able to hypothetically play with men sort of misses the mark.

Like I said earlier, I think people have seen too many modern action movies where some 110 pound actress can kick the crap out of henchmen twice their size and have a distorted picture of reality. Men and women aren't the same and the hyper focus on lumping top female athletes into male categories does a great disservice to them. Look at the 100 meter dash for instance, the world record for women was set in 1988, by Florence Griffith-Joyner, who ran a 10.49. I don't think it's even known how many men have run a faster time than that, but it numbers in the thousands, there are high school state finalists that run faster than that.

 

[coooldude]

I mean, yeah, a woman firefighter is highly unlikely to carry me out of a burning fire... if they pass a physical requirement it's because the standards were lowered like in the military.

In the US, there's no adjusting the Candidate Physical Ability Test (CPAT) for women. They have to pass the test same as anyone else. So yes, they would be able to haul your ass out of a fire. Highly likely, not highly unlikely.

Try not to be over-confident about things you don't know anything about.

Source: I know a woman firefighter and I watched her train and drank a beer with her to celebrate her passing her test.

 

[Atoyot]

This post is completely out of touch with reality.

Again, not saying it'll be her, but the more female players that play the more likely that an extreme outlier could turn up that might not be a detriment to the team every time they're on the ice in a top league. Not saying a star just serviceable.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Again, not saying it'll be her, but the more female players that play the more likely that an extreme outlier could turn up that might not be a detriment to the team every time they're on the ice in a top league. Not saying a star just serviceable.

No, the likelihood of a woman even being good enough to play in the ECHL is 0.00000%.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Again, not saying it'll be her, but the more female players that play the more likely that an extreme outlier could turn up that might not be a detriment to the team every time they're on the ice in a top league. Not saying a star just serviceable.

No. Just, no.

 

[MasterMatt25]

She was drafted in the 13th round people need to just get over it and realize it was a feel good story and good promotion. You guys are taking this too far.

She is however crazy elite at the Womans level

Some of the comments are trying to punish her for being good enough to get drafted. It's ridiculous

Good for her. She's an insanely good player and looks to be the future face of women's hockey

 

[coooldude]

FWIW I agree that the chance is pretty much zero that she can play at any level above Juniors, but I don't see why she shouldn't try U18 if she wants. Yes, she'll have to adapt her playing style, yes, she has a higher risk of injury, but if she wants to and she earns a spot on a team, great, go for it.

I agree with MasterMatt just above that she seems to be the future face of women's hockey, so if I were her, I'd do whatever gave me the best chance at doing that really really well. Which might be going to the PWHL, or playing NCAA, or something else not U18 boys hockey.

 

[Northerner]

In the US, there's no adjusting the Candidate Physical Ability Test (CPAT) for women. They have to pass the test same as anyone else. So yes, they would be able to haul your ass out of a fire. Highly likely, not highly unlikely.

Try not to be over-confident about things you don't know anything about.

Source: I know a woman firefighter and I watched her train and drank a beer with her to celebrate her passing her test.

Lol wut? Dude that is not true. Google NYFD firefighter requirements for one example.

Here u go:

FDNY drops physical test requirement amid low female hiring rate

The Fire Department has stopped requiring probationary firefighters to pass a job-related physical-skills test before getting hired — a move that critics derided as a lowering of standards. The mov…

nypost.com

And please spare me that a 112lb woman can lift my heavy arse out a building.

 

[Northerner]

Some of the comments are trying to punish her for being good enough to get drafted. It's ridiculous

Good for her. She's an insanely good player and looks to be the future face of women's hockey

Honestly it's not even about HER.

It's about the team. They know damn well this is just posturing. They are the ones that put this talented girl in this position.

They just want the publicity. No such bad pub, you know?