Chiarot - Seider

[jaster]

I think the solution for now is to pair him up with Oesterle as others have suggested. Nobody cares if Oesterle is ruined.

Just load up the top 4, bury Chiarot on the 3rd and hope to minimize the mismatches. He's fine as a physical guy to bust up a bottom 6 physical cycle. It's when there is skill involved that it gets dangerous

Totally agree. Problem is, it doesn’t seem Lalonde does.

 

[Stony Curtis]

Sheltered 3rd pair minutes or not, it's pretty freakin' amazing. Walman is still +14, Oesterle is now even +/-.

Walman has shifted my opinion, but like I said, I think he was playing injured last season. He's not playing social distanced hockey anymore like he did last season, I would imagine that was related to his shoulder injury. Plus his ridiculous slapper which unfortunately comes with a ridiculous Pulky-like windup. I think he'd be able to use that slapper more often if he shortened the windup so he doesn't need so much time and space.

Lol. That windup reminds me of Jim Furyk's golf swing.

 

[Oddbob]

Because after stretches of special teams play the pairings are f***ed and every single time Chia and Mo get out there together it's a goal against.

Yeah, but Mo has been even his past 11 games.

 

[norrisnick]

Yeah, but Mo has been even his past 11 games.

He'd be a plus without those goofy shifts.

 

[Macoun]

The thing to do would be to re-sign Walman and Maatta, put Ed on the roster next season, then pair Walman with Chiarot playing the right side.

Walman can make Oesterle look good, we can see if he can make Chiarot look good, lol. Seriously, Oesterle is AHL level without Walman, and Chiarot is better than that.

Maatta-Hronek
Ed-Seider
Walman-Chiarot

Doesn't looks so bad. Plus Walman and Seider can PK together, while Ed and Chiarot only play ES.


Edit: Plus the weird thing I noticed is that both Oesterle and Hronek play better positionally when they play their offhand side, maybe Chiarot will be the same way.

Walman-Chiarot might be the worse pairing in NHL history since both guys always want to jump into the play. Maata wouldn’t hold up well on the first pairing.

 

[Gniwder]

Lol. That windup reminds me of Jim Furyk's golf swing.

Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen a hockey player go past vertical on a swing.

 

[Gniwder]

Walman-Chiarot might be the worse pairing in NHL history since both guys always want to jump into the play. Maata wouldn’t hold up well on the first pairing.

You would think Walman-Oesterle would be worse, yet somehow they were +14 each when they were together. For a guy that fumbles the puck a lot, Oesterle jumps in like he's Makar. I don't see Chiarot as being any worse, and playing his offhand side will limit some of that aggressiveness.

Maatta is just a placeholder until Ed is ready for top pair duties, I don't see any LHD in free agency that would be willing to sign a short term deal for reasonable money. There are only 6 LHD UFAs that are averaging over 20 min per game, and one of them is Jack Johnson. Take a look at the list and tell me who you'd overpay for in free agency.... Graves? Ghost?

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[SwedeChristoffer]

Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen a hockey player go past vertical on a swing.

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He's just practicing for golf-season.

 

[Macoun]

You would think Walman-Oesterle would be worse, yet somehow they were +14 each when they were together. For a guy that fumbles the puck a lot, Oesterle jumps in like he's Makar. I don't see Chiarot as being any worse, and playing his offhand side will limit some of that aggressiveness.

Maatta is just a placeholder until Ed is ready for top pair duties, I don't see any LHD in free agency that would be willing to sign a short term deal for reasonable money. There are only 6 LHD UFAs that are averaging over 20 min per game, and one of them is Jack Johnson. Take a look at the list and tell me who you'd overpay for in free agency.... Graves? Ghost?

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Ok so Ed is waiting to get in the first line and Seider stays in the second pair? Makes no sense man. Seider is our best defenseman and plays on the first pair.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Is it worth finding him a long-term pairing partner at the trade deadline, even if they're selling?

 

[norrisnick]

Is it worth finding him a long-term pairing partner at the trade deadline, even if they're selling?

Not really. Hope one of the kids we have is a steady Eddie. Only one that sort of fits that bill might be Viro? Ed will be a top 4 guy. AlJo and Wallinder are, or more accurately should be, dynamic puck movers.

 

[Gniwder]

Ok so Ed is waiting to get in the first line and Seider stays in the second pair? Makes no sense man. Seider is our best defenseman and plays on the first pair.

No, Ed AND Seider will eventually be the first pair, as soon as Ed is ready for the task.

Hronek/Maatta are capable second pairing which means there's no need to split Ed/Seider. Maatta needs to be re-signed along with Walman.

 

[jaster]

No, Ed AND Seider will eventually be the first pair, as soon as Ed is ready for the task.

Hronek/Maatta are capable second pairing which means there's no need to split Ed/Seider. Maatta needs to be re-signed along with Walman.

I've been going back and forth on Maatta. On one hand, he looked great with Hronek for a good long stretch to start the year. On the other hand, he's not looked good since he's been back, Lalonde has refused to put him back together with Hronek, and his style and playoff experience should make him attractive at the deadline.

Plus, Walman has been a revelation, Chiarot isn't going anywhere, and Ed is on his way.

Other than seemingly being a boon to Hronek in the first half of the year, he's not been anything real special for Detroit. If we can get a decent return, I'd say trade him.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I've been going back and forth on Maatta. On one hand, he looked great with Hronek for a good long stretch to start the year. On the other hand, he's not looked good since he's been back, Lalonde has refused to put him back together with Hronek, and his style and playoff experience should make him attractive at the deadline.

Plus, Walman has been a revelation, Chiarot isn't going anywhere, and Ed is on his way.

Other than seemingly being a boon to Hronek in the first half of the year, he's not been anything real special for Detroit. If we can get a decent return, I'd say trade him.

Agreed and I think Walman continues to beat out Maatta for a contract here. Why lock up all the defenders on a bad defense. Chiarot is unfortunately here to stay and Walman-Hronek worked out fine so if the eventual top pair is Ed-Mo then there ya go.

I guess they could go Maatta-Chiarot on the third pair, but I wouldn't want him for anything over 2 years.

 

[norrisnick]

Agreed and I think Walman continues to beat out Maatta for a contract here. Why lock up all the defenders on a bad defense. Chiarot is unfortunately here to stay and Walman-Hronek worked out fine so if the eventual top pair is Ed-Mo then there ya go.

I guess they could go Maatta-Chiarot on the third pair, but I wouldn't want him for anything over 2 years.

That's probably the best course of action. Sign Maatta to something moveable in the event Willy Wally or AlJo decide to force the issue next camp.

Plus, I've got Ed and Mo anchoring separate pairings in the future a la Nick/Vlad or Nick/Cheli.

 

[Macoun]

That's probably the best course of action. Sign Maatta to something moveable in the event Willy Wally or AlJo decide to force the issue next camp.

Plus, I've got Ed and Mo anchoring separate pairings in the future a la Nick/Vlad or Nick/Cheli.

So basically you guys want us to bring back Wally and Maata so we can have the almost exact same defense as this season next year? Here’s an idea… why don’t we try to upgrade on these guys instead. Our team defense flat out stinks so excuse me if I’m not jumping for joy to being these guys back.

 

[norrisnick]

So basically you guys want us to bring back Wally and Maata so we can have the almost exact same defense as this season next year? Here’s an idea… why don’t we try to upgrade on these guys instead. Our team defense flat out stinks so excuse me if I’m not jumping for joy to being these guys back.

Three things.

1. Team defense needs heavy involvement from forwards. Our in-zone defense by a lot of our forwards is woefully lacking. We get abused by defensemen. And our breakouts are largely trash, quite a bit of that is also forward related by not being in position for a pass or not getting it out from the top of the circles. A lot of it is defensemen as well, but the deployment has been less than ideal so far.

2. Goaltending was great early, barely league average since.

3. If we can get Chia out of the top 4 and get two pairings that actually work, that will help tremendously. We have yet to see:
Walman - Seider
Maatta - Hronek
Chia - who cares.

 

[Gniwder]

So basically you guys want us to bring back Wally and Maata so we can have the almost exact same defense as this season next year? Here’s an idea… why don’t we try to upgrade on these guys instead. Our team defense flat out stinks so excuse me if I’m not jumping for joy to being these guys back.

Ed. If Ed isn't at least a middle pair D long term, this team is screwed anyways.

Everyone wants to get rid of Chiarot, unfortunately NHL contract are guaranteed, though the buyout on his contract doesn't look all that bad.

I've been going back and forth on Maatta. On one hand, he looked great with Hronek for a good long stretch to start the year. On the other hand, he's not looked good since he's been back, Lalonde has refused to put him back together with Hronek, and his style and playoff experience should make him attractive at the deadline.

Plus, Walman has been a revelation, Chiarot isn't going anywhere, and Ed is on his way.

Other than seemingly being a boon to Hronek in the first half of the year, he's not been anything real special for Detroit. If we can get a decent return, I'd say trade him.

Hronek looks better when paired with Maatta than with Chiarot. That's why I'd rather re-sign Maatta and shift Chiarot to RD.

Trading Chiarot is the ideal solution, but it's not going to happen.

 

[Macoun]

Ed. If Ed isn't at least a middle pair D long term, this team is screwed anyways.

Everyone wants to get rid of Chiarot, unfortunately NHL contract are guaranteed, though the buyout on his contract doesn't look all that bad.



Hronek looks better when paired with Maatta than with Chiarot. That's why I'd rather re-sign Maatta and shift Chiarot to RD.

Trading Chiarot is the ideal solution, but it's not going to happen.

I hate Chiarot. And if anyone was wondering why I’m not a fan of Walman then hopefully they tuned into tonight’s game. He was terrible all night. Very low IQ player.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I hate Chiarot. And if anyone was wondering why I’m not a fan of Walman then hopefully they tuned into tonight’s game. He was terrible all night. Very low IQ player.

Wut?

Ed. If Ed isn't at least a middle pair D long term, this team is screwed anyways.

Everyone wants to get rid of Chiarot, unfortunately NHL contract are guaranteed, though the buyout on his contract doesn't look all that bad.



Hronek looks better when paired with Maatta than with Chiarot. That's why I'd rather re-sign Maatta and shift Chiarot to RD.

Trading Chiarot is the ideal solution, but it's not going to happen.

Chiarot won’t be bought out. I think he plays at least part of one more season in a winged wheel.

 

[jaster]

Hronek looks better when paired with Maatta than with Chiarot. That's why I'd rather re-sign Maatta and shift Chiarot to RD.

Trading Chiarot is the ideal solution, but it's not going to happen.

Not sure I see much upside to re-signing Maatta, just to shift Chiarot to the right side to facilitate the two of them on the 3rd pair. How much is Maatta going to cost? What will be the cap hit of that 3rd pair? I’d sooner have Lindstrom/Oesterle fill that #6 spot for 13 minutes a night than re-sign Maatta for whatever he’s going to cost.

 

[Gniwder]

Not sure I see much upside to re-signing Maatta, just to shift Chiarot to the right side to facilitate the two of them on the 3rd pair. How much is Maatta going to cost? What will be the cap hit of that 3rd pair? I’d sooner have Lindstrom/Oesterle fill that #6 spot for 13 minutes a night than re-sign Maatta for whatever he’s going to cost.

It'd be Walman/Chiarot on the third pair. Walman can fix Oesterle then he can fix Chiarot.

CHiarot has been bad, but Oesterle was worse last season.

 

[norrisnick]

I know he's a day or so from getting waived but the concept of a Hagg - Chiarot 3rd pairing amuses me. Just absolute chaos.

 

[SoupGuru]

Yeah, regarding Walman... I don't think this is the new him, I think this is an awesome steak and he'll come back down soon enough. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[jaster]

Yeah, regarding Walman... I don't think this is the new him, I think this is an awesome steak and he'll come back down soon enough. I hope I'm wrong though.

You may certainly be right. Luckily, we can watch him for another half season or so, before a decision needs to be made on him. So far, I've liked him better than Maatta this season.