Chiarot - Seider

[jaster]

Using this a the D corp thread.

Lalonde was asked about putting Maatta and Hronek together again. Specifically cites not wanting to drop Chia to 5/6 as a reason not to. Even though Maatta/Hronek were great together.

That's a bad reason, imo. ES ice is largely even anyway.

Little bit o' tanking here, little bit o' tanking there......

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Using this a the D corp thread.

Lalonde was asked about putting Maatta and Hronek together again. Specifically cites not wanting to drop Chia to 5/6 as a reason not to. Even though Maatta/Hronek were great together.

That's a bad reason, imo. ES ice is largely even anyway.

That sounds a lot like star management. Maybe part of the Chiarot contract negotiation was a discussion about usage and a promise given to keep him in the top 4? Either way, Chiarot should not be near Seider or Hronek.

 

[jaster]

He should be Chiarot into the sun!

 

[norrisnick]

Blueline stats since Mo and Chia got split up.

Really wish they'd reunite Maatta and Hronek and cut Chia's TOI by about 5min. Crazy that Fil's been able to keep somewhat afloat given Chia's stats.

 

[TheOtherOne]

Using this a the D corp thread.

Lalonde was asked about putting Maatta and Hronek together again. Specifically cites not wanting to drop Chia to 5/6 as a reason not to. Even though Maatta/Hronek were great together.

That's a bad reason, imo. ES ice is largely even anyway.

Can't he just write "Maatta Hronek" as 3rd line on paper, but then deploy then however it actually makes sense?

 

[raymond23]

Using this a the D corp thread.

Lalonde was asked about putting Maatta and Hronek together again. Specifically cites not wanting to drop Chia to 5/6 as a reason not to. Even though Maatta/Hronek were great together.

That's a bad reason, imo. ES ice is largely even anyway.

That's a concerning take from our coach

Chiarot is an absolute disaster for this team. The first goal against last night is the perfect example. He needs WAY less minutes and responsibility. He's -20 while exclusively being paired with our two best defenseman...

 

[raymond23]

 

[Pavels Dog]

Seider looks fully back to being himself.

 

[raymond23]

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

It sucks, but Chiarot is our worst defenseman. Oesterle has been better than him this year.

 

[norrisnick]

Seider looks fully back to being himself.

And then some.

His play with Walman (admittedly a small sample size) extrapolated out over 82 games is a 71 point, +2, 200+ hits, 200+ blocked shots, 23 min/game in all situations season.

 

[Gniwder]

It sucks, but Chiarot is our worst defenseman. Oesterle has been better than him this year.

Worse than Oesterle is AHL level, lol.

Oesterle has only looked good on the right side next to Walman, I think it speaks more of Walman's abilities than any improvement on behalf of Oesterle. He has not looked good with Maatta.

 

[19 for president]

And then some.

His play with Walman (admittedly a small sample size) extrapolated out over 82 games is a 71 point, +2, 200+ hits, 200+ blocked shots, 23 min/game in all situations season.

It really is telling that the moment he and Chiarot are seperated he goes back to equal/better the offensive pace he was on last year.

Chiarot needs a defensive dman partner. He tries to hard to be an offensive/physical guy.

I miss Maata/Hronek. Hronek was playing the best hockey of his career.

Chia can sulk in the corner on the 3rd pair. Its ridiculous to play one of the worst dman up the lineup in the NHL atm just because you might hurt his feelings. He makes almost 5 mil a year. Play better, get more ice time. Unless they are trying to tank this is doing nothing but hurting the team.

 

[Sentinel]

Chiarot should not rise above the 3rd pairing. He's got a touch of shit.

 

[norrisnick]

Chiarot should not rise above the 3rd pairing. He's got a touch of shit.

It's painfully obvious. Both eye test and analytics that he's not cut out to face the top half of the opposition.

I just hope it doesn't take 34 games of Chia-Hronek for Lalonde to come to that realization like it took for Chia-Mo...

 

[Gniwder]

It's painfully obvious. Both eye test and analytics that he's not cut out to face the top half of the opposition.

I just hope it doesn't take 34 games of Chia-Hronek for Lalonde to come to that realization like it took for Chia-Mo...

Fester seems somewhat stubborn

 

[jaster]

I would really like Chiarot if he were on a better contract and played on the 3rd pair. I can get down with his play style if it were deployed correctly. But alas.

This guy is going to be a headache for another 3 years isn't he?

 

[norrisnick]

I would really like Chiarot if he were on a better contract and played on the 3rd pair. I can get down with his play style if it were deployed correctly. But alas.

This guy is going to be a headache for another 3 years isn't he?

If Ed emphatically outplays him (not hard) next fall it might sort itself out naturally.

 

[jaster]

If Ed emphatically outplays him (not hard) next fall it might sort itself out naturally.

Here's to hoping. Sounds like management/coaching is pretty hell-bent on keeping Chiarot in the top-4 though. Which, if Ed emphatically shows he's top-4 capable, I fear him being squirreled away on the 3rd pair anyway, or Walman (assuming he's re-signed) being moved off of Seider's pair and put on the 3rd pair.

 

[norrisnick]

Here's to hoping. Sounds like management/coaching is pretty hell-bent on keeping Chiarot in the top-4 though. Which, if Ed emphatically shows he's top-4 capable, I fear him being squirreled away on the 3rd pair anyway, or Walman (assuming he's re-signed) being moved off of Seider's pair and put on the 3rd pair.

I just want to know what our analytics guy is doing. The disparity in pairing performance we have seen this year doesn't need a lot of explaining or nuanced understanding of hockey to evaluate.

Chia - Mo = dumpster fire
Walman - Mo = great all around
Maatta - Hronek = great all around
Chia - Hronek = dumpster fire
Maatta - Oesterle = dumpster fire
Walman - Hronek = decent 2nd
Walman - Oesterle = passable 3rd
Any combination with Hagg = dumpster fire
Lindstrom only looked passable with Ed

 

[Ishad]

It sucks, but Chiarot is our worst defenseman. Oesterle has been better than him this year.

Who could’ve predicted this, except for literally everyone?

 

[ricky0034]

Seider's season with and without Chiarot is honestly kinda hilarious

it's pretty rare for a fanbase to be proven quite so right about something so fast

 

[Gniwder]

Who could’ve predicted this, except for literally everyone?

Pretty much nobody, did you watch Oesterle play last season? He looked like a poor man's Bowey.

 

[FabricDetails]

Seider's season with and without Chiarot is honestly kinda hilarious

it's pretty rare for a fanbase to be proven quite so right about something so fast

The comments after they were paired together again such as, "I'd rather Seider be by himself"... Savage.

 

[Henkka]

It sucks, but Chiarot is our worst defenseman. Oesterle has been better than him this year.

Quite sure Hägg and Lindström are worse, but Chiarot is the worst who has Top-pair / Top4 responsibility.

Just have to wait for Edvinsson to grow and then Chiarot will be naturally slotted to 3rd pair.

But hey, yesterdays game he wasn't scored against. It was Hägg and Hronek on the ice.