Yes even strength. He played even less than Oesterle.
But I am not sure our coach knows what he is doing.
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But I am not sure our coach knows what he is doing.
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At this point I feel like it's a combination of his contract and 'pedigree' that's going to lead to Chiarot being a fixture in the Top 4 for several games unless he truly ducks it up.
The fact that Lalonde went away from Maatta-Hronek and has not gone back to it is very disappointing
Pretty clearly a coaching failure in my opinion
Pretty clearly a coaching failure in my opinion
Chiarot either needs to be benched or exclusively played on the 3rd pairing and away from Detroit's better defenseman. The only way the signing was ever going to work was if he was exclusively on the 3rd pairing and PK. Any other role is coaching malpractice.
I'm hoping Yzerman sees the light and either trades him this offseason (and retain a bunch of salary if needed) or, failing that, buy him out and get rid of him.
I'm hoping Yzerman sees the light and either trades him this offseason (and retain a bunch of salary if needed) or, failing that, buy him out and get rid of him.
Chairot is a liability on the PK. Penalty killing is heavily dependent on structure, and Chiarot consistently takes himself out of position chasing hits.
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Walman is gonna get a big pay raise.
He must've been injured when traded. So far this season he's managed to make Oesterle and Seider look better. If you can make Oesterle look like a legit NHLer, that's like worth a gazillion dollars right there.
Yeah, I mean I'm good with him never playing.
If nothing else, he helps the tank because he makes everyone around him worse. Only 3 more years at nearly $5 million!
Who's mistake is Chiarot then? Yzerman's or Lalonde's?
I think Oesterle was +14 at one point when paired with Walman.
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Those kind of pedigree things should be totally meaningless. He can still play at 3rd pair and have Top4 minutes thanks to special teams.
Still would hope seeing Määttä with Seider, they haven't tried at all. Walman-Oesterle is strong as is Chiarot-Hronek.
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Walman - Seider
Maata - Hronek
Chairot - Oesterle
Imo, that's the team's best defensive pairings. Really thought Chairot would help out more, but he's been often out of position and maybe is trying too hard to be a "leader" vs one of the guys.
I'm not upset about his point totals, and it's truly his defensive performance. Just thought he'd bring more to the table especially on PK. It's not what we paid him for, but he is blocking a ton of shots and making a ton of hits but still isn't out pacing Seider either in that category.
Maata - Hronek
Chairot - Oesterle
Imo, that's the team's best defensive pairings. Really thought Chairot would help out more, but he's been often out of position and maybe is trying too hard to be a "leader" vs one of the guys.
I'm not upset about his point totals, and it's truly his defensive performance. Just thought he'd bring more to the table especially on PK. It's not what we paid him for, but he is blocking a ton of shots and making a ton of hits but still isn't out pacing Seider either in that category.
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Agree 100%
I think Chiarot can be an asset anchoring the third pair with a safe partner. He is a negative asset in the top 4
Pretty disappointed about that, I was expecting a different kind of player to be honest
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Yeah, I thought he was a physical stay at home guy. Instead he is a wandering physical guy, who thus far has made each group he is on worse. Seider and Hronek have both looked better without him.
In the 11 games since separated from Seider, Chiarot has 2 G, 2 A, but a -7, while his new partner Hronek (with his own defensive struggles) in that same stretch has 6 assists, and is +1. Not even sure how Chiarot can be 8 pts different in plus minus then his regular partner during this stretch, but he has managed to do it.
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Because after stretches of special teams play the pairings are f***ed and every single time Chia and Mo get out there together it's a goal against.
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Sheltered 3rd pair minutes or not, it's pretty freakin' amazing. Walman is still +14, Oesterle is now even +/-.
Walman has shifted my opinion, but like I said, I think he was playing injured last season. He's not playing social distanced hockey anymore like he did last season, I would imagine that was related to his shoulder injury. Plus his ridiculous slapper which unfortunately comes with a ridiculous Pulky-like windup. I think he'd be able to use that slapper more often if he shortened the windup so he doesn't need so much time and space.
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Both. Yzerman for signing him and Lalonde for incorrectly deploying him. What an unmitigated disaster he has been. The numbers don't lie. They match the eyeball test.
Normally, I'd say 'well, the Wings still suck, so just live with him for another year or two before you decide what to do with him (buyout, trade w/ 50% retained, whatever)." But he's literally harming the performance of other young defensemen on the team. Soooo.... how much ego does Yzerman have? Would he be able to swallow it and look for a trade partner already?
Gniwder
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I think the solution for now is to pair him up with Oesterle as others have suggested. Nobody cares if Oesterle is ruined.
Chiarot has played the right side in the past, I think that's where he'll ultimately be playing. 3rd pair right side. Ruining Ed, lol.
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I would too, tbh. He’s a boat anchor at this point.
Only upside is the guy does have some tools. If he could focus them in the right way, he’d be useful. But he’s also old, so not very likely he changes his game significantly.
norrisnick
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Just load up the top 4, bury Chiarot on the 3rd and hope to minimize the mismatches. He's fine as a physical guy to bust up a bottom 6 physical cycle. It's when there is skill involved that it gets dangerous
Gniwder
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The thing to do would be to re-sign Walman and Maatta, put Ed on the roster next season, then pair Walman with Chiarot playing the right side.
Walman can make Oesterle look good, we can see if he can make Chiarot look good, lol. Seriously, Oesterle is AHL level without Walman, and Chiarot is better than that.
Maatta-Hronek
Ed-Seider
Walman-Chiarot
Doesn't looks so bad. Plus Walman and Seider can PK together, while Ed and Chiarot only play ES.
Edit: Plus the weird thing I noticed is that both Oesterle and Hronek play better positionally when they play their offhand side, maybe Chiarot will be the same way.
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So these comments have aged well. It has to obvious now. I remember a post game interview with Larkin, where he lamented some players need to play within the system so others know where they are supposed to be. Sounds to me like that was meant for Chiarot, potentially among others, but Chiarot.
