Confirmed Trade: [CHI/PIT] Sam Lafferty for Alex Nylander

[Flying Dego]

Skating . Awfully important in ice hockey. Skill set means nothing if you can't use it. Pens will miss the bit of grit Lafferty brought.

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

Lafferty is a fast skater that's poor in every other category. He also takes a ton of penalties for a guy playing 5 minutes a night and is a negative factor for his team. He's just not cut out for a competitive hockey team.

Can he look mediocre on a bad teams 4th line? I guess it's possible but it's a complete win getting him away from the Pens.

Nylander I could care less if he doesn't touch NHL ice. If he does pan out this trade goes from nice to awesome. There's no downside for the Pens.

 

[Jerkbait]

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

Lafferty is a fast skater that's poor in every other category. He also takes a ton of penalties for a guy playing 5 minutes a night and is a negative factor for his team. He's just not cut out for a competitive hockey team.

Can he look mediocre on a bad teams 4th line? I guess it's possible but it's a complete win getting him away from the Pens.

Nylander I could care less if he doesn't touch NHL ice. If he does pan out this trade goes from nice to awesome. There's no downside for the Pens.

Sure there is. Removing grit from already soft lineup that got pushed around for the last 2 years in playoffs and was a big contributing factor in getting bounced is a casue for concern.
Nylander is nothing more than a cookie cutter soft forward who adds $$$ f9r no reason.

 

[Jerkbait]

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

Lafferty is a fast skater that's poor in every other category. He also takes a ton of penalties for a guy playing 5 minutes a night and is a negative factor for his team. He's just not cut out for a competitive hockey team.

Can he look mediocre on a bad teams 4th line? I guess it's possible but it's a complete win getting him away from the Pens.

Nylander I could care less if he doesn't touch NHL ice. If he does pan out this trade goes from nice to awesome. There's no downside for the Pens.

This isn't hard really ....one Lafferty makes no difference in a 7 game playoff series but.......Lafferty does and will...taking one away when you have 6 already is no sweat taking one away when you have basically 0 will...who gonna fill that niche???? Jason zucker ?????? LOL

 

[BrindamoursNose]

But what does Bobby Clarke think of this?

That's the question we're all failing to ask ourselves

 

[Flying Dego]

Sure there is. Removing grit from already soft lineup that got pushed around for the last 2 years in playoffs and was a big contributing factor in getting bounced is a casue for concern.
Nylander is nothing more than a cookie cutter soft forward who adds $$$ f9r no reason.

Laffertys "grit" would be of zero significance to our lineup. His penalty taking and poor IQ during his 5 minutes of ice time is not worth it.

What would you expect Lafferty to do against say everyone's favorite guy Wilson? Zilch.

You know what wins series for our team? A mix of speed and skill, we won't be a heavy team regardless so don't try to be what you're not. You outscore teams and frustrate them defensively. We will most likely be outmuscled much like our previous cup runs but that's not our focus.

 

[BillyOcean]

Has Lafferty even played a game yet

 

[Mrfenn92]

Has Lafferty even played a game yet

Covid protocol

 

[Jerkbait]

Laffertys "grit" would be of zero significance to our lineup. His penalty taking and poor IQ during his 5 minutes of ice time is not worth it.

What would you expect Lafferty to do against say everyone's favorite guy Wilson? Zilch.

You know what wins series for our team? A mix of speed and skill, we won't be a heavy team regardless so don't try to be what you're not. You outscore teams and frustrate them defensively. We will most likely be outmuscled much like our previous cup runs but that's not our focus.

What would be absolutely of zero significance would he another cookie cutter soft forward who can't skate come playoff time. This clearly isn't 2016 anymore and we have seen how easy the pens get pushed around and off their game. Having a few bottom plugs who can hit clear the net and give a licking would go a long way in establishing a tone so sid and the forwards can do their thing.
Once the whistles go away amd the space is limited, 2 things will happen , the pens get pushed around and off their game and Nylander is on the taxi squad at best. ...and the best part he cost more

 

[Flying Dego]

What would be absolutely of zero significance would he another cookie cutter soft forward who can't skate come playoff time. This clearly isn't 2016 anymore and we have seen how easy the pens get pushed around and off their game. Having a few bottom plugs who can hit clear the net and give a licking would go a long way in establishing a tone so sid and the forwards can do their thing.
Once the whistles go away amd the space is limited, 2 things will happen , the pens get pushed around and off their game and Nylander is on the taxi squad at best. ...and the best part he cost more

Without any depth signings our 4th wings are ZAR/McGinn

Depth:
Zohorna
Boyle
Simon

And beyond them there's a few in WBS I'd give a shot over a known negative as Lafferty. Everything your saying isn't relevant to Lafferty being a poor NHLer. If he's got you upset you should find a new team with heavier players if that's your jive my man.

 

[Jerkbait]

Without any depth signings our 4th wings are ZAR/McGinn

Depth:
Zohorna
Boyle
Simon

And beyond them there's a few in WBS I'd give a shot over a known negative as Lafferty. Everything your saying isn't relevant to Lafferty being a poor NHLer. If he's got you upset you should find a new team with heavier players if that's your jive my man.

Again history and playoff records are on my side . Its undoubtedly noted the main weakensss in Pitt is goaltending ( playoff time) and grit. This trade trade made them a hair weaker , not my jive its reality!!! They got beat down 2 years in row by bigger heavier teams and this year is most likey the same.

 

[Flying Dego]

Again history and playoff records are on my side . Its undoubtedly noted the main weakensss in Pitt is goaltending ( playoff time) and grit. This trade trade made them a hair weaker , not my jive its reality!!! They got beat down 2 years in row by bigger heavier teams and this year is most likey the same.

I'll be honest your takes on the main board at least give me some entertainment.

Do you think when Wilson/Reaves, etc started licking their chops once they knew Lafferty was out? Now they don't have to worry about him teaching them a lesson when they play tough...

If you wanted a 'tough' extra forward you already have him in Boyle. He's better at hockey and can actually handle himself in a fight. Solved your issue.

 

[Jerkbait]

I'll be honest your takes on the main board at least give me some entertainment.

Do you think when Wilson/Reaves, etc started licking their chops once they knew Lafferty was out? Now they don't have to worry about him teaching them a lesson when they play tough...

If you wanted a 'tough' extra forward you already have him in Boyle. He's better at hockey and can actually handle himself in a fight. Solved your issue.

Boyle ??? Your kidding right sparkles??? He has the size but as soft as zucker and ancient. Boyle is fine in his role but that's not his role and if it is,the pens have much bigger issues.
This isn't an opinion, its facts. On ice facts. The pens got pushed around and beat by bigger more physical teams 2 years running and this years edition is just as soft ( probably softer with tanev gone) and you expect a different result? Its all good if the goal is to simply make the playoffs but as per Burke they want to compete. I will guarantee you that Burke will address this very issue and add some grit before the deadline.
The main issue is there was no need to add salary and get softer while watching a career AHL guy learn to skate....

 

[orby]

This isn't an opinion, its facts. On ice facts. The pens got pushed around and beat by bigger more physical teams 2 years running and this years edition is just as soft ( probably softer with tanev gone) and you expect a different result? Its all good if the goal is to simply make the playoffs but as per Burke they want to compete. I will guarantee you that Burke will address this very issue and add some grit before the deadline.
The main issue is there was no need to add salary and get softer while watching a career AHL guy learn to skate....

You are probably the only person on planet earth who is under the impression that Sam Lafferty was in any way important to the Pens having enough grit to make a successful playoff run. If they were gonna go out and get a tough guy to bang opponents up in the postseason, they were gonna do that whether Lafferty was here or not, because he wasn't going to sniff the lineup in the playoffs if the team was remotely healthy.

Lafferty is a dime-a-dozen AHL guy with a 0% chance of figuring into the Pens' long-term plans. Nylander may not stand much more of a chance, but if nothing else, he at least has SOME history of scoring at an acceptable rate in the NHL. With a cupboard as bare as the Pens' prospect pool, and with the Pens' core players entering the twilight of their careers, I don't see how this move can be considered a negative. The extra $125k Nylander makes over Lafferty is not going to break the bank for the Pens this year, especially since his salary doesn't even count toward the cap as long as he is playing in the AHL.

 

[SenzZen]

Laffertys "grit" would be of zero significance to our lineup. His penalty taking and poor IQ during his 5 minutes of ice time is not worth it.

What would you expect Lafferty to do against say everyone's favorite guy Wilson? Zilch.

You know what wins series for our team? A mix of speed and skill, we won't be a heavy team regardless so don't try to be what you're not. You outscore teams and frustrate them defensively. We will most likely be outmuscled much like our previous cup runs but that's not our focus.

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

Lafferty is a fast skater that's poor in every other category. He also takes a ton of penalties for a guy playing 5 minutes a night and is a negative factor for his team. He's just not cut out for a competitive hockey team.

Can he look mediocre on a bad teams 4th line? I guess it's possible but it's a complete win getting him away from the Pens.

Nylander I could care less if he doesn't touch NHL ice. If he does pan out this trade goes from nice to awesome. There's no downside for the Pens.

My opinion of the player is neither here nor there, but it makes for a better argument if you don't lie- particularly for no reason.

 

[Jerkbait]

You are probably the only person on planet earth who is under the impression that Sam Lafferty was in any way important to the Pens having enough grit to make a successful playoff run. If they were gonna go out and get a tough guy to bang opponents up in the postseason, they were gonna do that whether Lafferty was here or not, because he wasn't going to sniff the lineup in the playoffs if the team was remotely healthy.

Lafferty is a dime-a-dozen AHL guy with a 0% chance of figuring into the Pens' long-term plans. Nylander may not stand much more of a chance, but if nothing else, he at least has SOME history of scoring at an acceptable rate in the NHL. With a cupboard as bare as the Pens' prospect pool, and with the Pens' core players entering the twilight of their careers, I don't see how this move can be considered a negative. The extra $125k Nylander makes over Lafferty is not going to break the bank for the Pens this year, especially since his salary doesn't even count toward the cap as long as he is playing in the AHL.

You missed the point completely. You probably don't understand the true intangibles it takes to win at playoff time. If you read above , I gave you a clear logical approach. One Lafferty means little to nothing, while a line of Laffertys of a few spread across the lineup means something...
As for Nylander 4 or 5 of them still means squat. Cookie cutter soft AHL forward

 

[orby]

You missed the point completely. You probably don't understand the true intangibles it takes to win at playoff time. If you read above , I gave you a clear logical approach. One Lafferty means little to nothing, while a line of Laffertys of a few spread across the lineup means something...

I am just going to assume you are trolling at this point.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I don't think most of you really understand how bad ANylander is.

Don't look at his draft position, nor his last name, or what ever what he might have
done in the NHL. He sucks.

At least Lafferty can bring something, Nylander is most likely heading
to Europe after this season.

 

[Jerkbait]

I am just going to assume you are trolling at this point.

Assume what you wish despite being incorrect.
Not much push back from Nylander last night in the kings romp....ok that might have beem a bit low LOL..
Plain and simple, take grit and the physical play out of the lineup, play well in reg season, then get spanked by a bigger team im the playoffs.....yawn...

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I can't believe this thread is 8 pages long.......

 

[Mrfenn92]

I am just going to assume you are trolling at this point.

Either trolling or calling himself smarter then everyone

 

[gdsmack267]

This thread is far too long for two AHL players

 

[Artorius Horus T]

2 games for Hawks. (has played as a center)
- Hawks won both games, allowed only 1 goal

Has worked really hard, no mistakes so far, skates really well,
good amount of physical play and defensive play, been smart player so far,
zero penalties FYI.

TOI : 26:54
59.5% at face-offs
6 shots on goal
5 hits
1 blocked shot

 

[wej20]

He can be effective cheap 4th liner/PK forward if he stays disciplined and engaged physically.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

Nylander has always been extremely skilled, so it's not that sad.

He just never learned how to skate. But his hands, vision, and release are all top 6 NHL quality.

Everything you said is true as a Sabres fan except it's more nuanced than just skating but still was a great post showing you know your hockey. He's about an average skater from his most recent games, I think what is/was truly holding him back is desire & a will/determination to improve & to win hockey games.

He's not a playoff warrior player like ROR who can will himself goals atm. He will never have that level of impact to an NHL team if he doesn't improve his physical aspect & hound the net, he will likely always be a complementary player either way. Think Alex can be close to .5ish PPG in the right environment. Like the trade for both teams. Alex at least has proven he can score passable numbers in the NHL.

23 is still really young relatively speaking, considering his body type & playing style I don't think he'll peak/physically mature until 27/28. As long as he's committed to improving, don't think we've seen close to his best.

He'll never be the guy who wins you hockey games himself but (maybe in the future?) can help if you surround him with talent. Even if the only benefit is a better AHL team I like this trade for PIT. Lafferty is nothing to cry over & he takes about a minor penalty/every other game in his role as a forward- that's not acceptable. How many times has a player been a bust only for a few years later to figure it out.

Nylander has to fix HIS game and EARN opportunity himself & no one should gift him top 6 time. Haven't seen as much of him outside Buffalo but he always has/had a passive, timid nature when he plays & he needs to fix his game & round it out by developing more his power forward game (obviously he'll never be one) in practice if he ever wants to succeed fully in NA.

Things like board work, willingness to engage/physical contact, intensity, aggressiveness, forechecking hard/fast, using the body, in front of the net, block shots, do everything to win, willingness to get laid out to make a good play etc. Just my 0.02.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Chicago couldn't even get like a 5th round pick or something?? They got a nothing player who won't last in the NHL past this season most likely.

I just don't understand them not getting SOMETHING of value. Even future considerations ffs.

This is how the Canucks fans felt about Gaudette